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VIA launches $49 Android PC

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It doesn't have wlan, not even a dual core cpu, pity. but i am still going to buy it.

including a radio means much more expensive certification testing. so they often just have you use a USB wifi stick.

That's not true if you use a pre-certified wifi module. Of course such modules cost half as much as the board, largely because they eliminate the cost of intentional radiator testing. But I agree, USB wifi is so cheap these days it makes no sense to have it built-in.

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It doesn't have wlan, not even a dual core cpu, pity. but i am still going to buy it.

including a radio means much more expensive certification testing. so they often just have you use a USB wifi stick.

thank you for the explanation

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In 1989 I ran a Unix system with 1000 users on hardware less powerful than this, why this kind of horse power cannot run something as simple as a web browser says more about the inefficiencies inherent in current operating systems and programming methods than they do about the hardware.

> as simple as a web browser says more about the inefficiencies inherent in current operating systems and programming methods than they do about the hardware. No. This is simply not true, at least at the extreme you are suggesting. What I have open on my quad-core 8GB RAM desktop right now: two Eclipse sessions; One emacs server, with about 20 client windows; Firefox, with 30+ tabs; 20 or so console sessions; five PD…

How are you able to cognitively manage so many apps (FF alone with 30+ open tabs)? I find having more than a handful of apps and tabs open a clutter.

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Whether "it's expensive" depends entirely on the market. There are markets (developing countries, education) where tripling the total cost of the setup, compared to using a monitor you already have, is significant.

Yes, I get that. Hence the bit where I said Everyone has different levels for what "expensive" means .

My apologies, between your two comments I was confused about the point you were making.

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For some unknown reason all those sensor terminals, atms and other smart devices are powered by windows. Windows is an awful choice since it requires a huge pricey box with fans, since it shows its dialog messages over the interface, catches viruses and yet they stick to it. It makes me sad thinking about how much money do they waste on it and how MS is able by get their cut while making everyone lives and products w…

Windows has been available on embedded systems from almost the very beginning. Windows CE was not originally for tablets, it was for ATMs and the like.

But still they use stock Windows. They don't use CE or XP Embedded. They use the popping up dialog windows, screensaver kind.

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My vision for these boards is not to display graphics, but to send/receive data from the internet and a local network. I'm not going to use a Pi to watch movies or some other resource-intensive task. I'd just as soon use the power of GPU that comes with Pi for some other task besides video. What would be interesting is if one of these boards would be designed such that, by pure coincidence, it could fit into an Apple…

The Raspberry Pi starts up by loading an opaque blob into the GPU, and that then runs the CPU under supervision. ie the CPU is a servant and controlled by the GPU, not the other way around as is normal in the PC world. So irrespective of your video intentions, you are still at the mercy of a blob.

But unless your are a real FOSS zealot (say > 500milli Stallmans) you are at the mercy of the bios, the disk controller firmware and the CPU microcode on any machine

In reality being able to run whatever user programs you want in whatever combination you want without artificial is what FOSS is all about.

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I wonder how much wifi/wireless would add to the cost?

How about $1.03. http://www.amazon.com/SANOXY-USB2-0-Wireless-802-11-Adapter/...

Wow. And Bluetooth is just another $1.19. http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-USB-Micro-Adapter-Dongle/dp/...

Those would be two good additions.

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The Raspberry Pi starts up by loading an opaque blob into the GPU, and that then runs the CPU under supervision. ie the CPU is a servant and controlled by the GPU, not the other way around as is normal in the PC world. So irrespective of your video intentions, you are still at the mercy of a blob.

But unless your are a real FOSS zealot (say > 500milli Stallmans) you are at the mercy of the bios, the disk controller firmware and the CPU microcode on any machine In reality being able to run whatever user programs you want in whatever combination you want without artificial is what FOSS is all about.

The "user programs" you want to run are determined by the operating system. And the operating system is determined by blobs, controllers, BIOS and similar gunk.

If for example the Pi blob is such that Linux kernel 3.7 can't run then you are SOL. Or if on a device like this their blob only works with Android 2.3 then you can't run a different version. Or maybe you can't run one of the BSDs.

The video/GPU is especially relevant in the Pi case because it controls what the CPU can do.

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