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Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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When are we going to admit that the current level of understanding and technical capabilities are not sufficient for safe autonomous driving?

Probably about the time that we realize 100% safety is an impossible goal, and better-than-human safety is achievable.

I fully admit to having done things in the car far dumber and more dangerous than this when I was young. I'm not excusing the Waymo, rather I'm putting it in perspective.

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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When are we going to admit that the current level of understanding and technical capabilities are not sufficient for safe autonomous driving?

To be fair, I've seen many human drivers doing equally stupid things.

> I've seen many human drivers doing equally stupid things

Just yesterday I got yelled at by an Italian police officer who was directing traffic at a busy junction (I was in a rental car). [Full disclosure: I stopped, wound my window down, we had a polite conversation, everything turned out fine...]

The key difference is that if I screw up badly enough when driving, I risk a monetary fine and/or losing my licence and/or getting sent to prison. For most human drivers these represent clear incentives not to screw up when driving.

Questions:

Have we agreed on suitable penalties when an autonomous vehicle screws up, given there isn't a single human driver to sanction?

Could the fleet get grounded?

Could the company get fined?

Could relevant executives go to prison?

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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That's why they still are in research and not widely available.

that's funny, because when I watched the video I've got the impression it was dangerously roaming around the roads of San Francisco with hundreds of non-consenting people in close proximity

Don't conflate an advanced state of research with wide availability.

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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I suspect this is human error rather than a computer error. Waymo is a supervised system -- from what I've heard while there's little remote driving by humans, there is occasional real-time human labelling and confirmation. So the car likely phoned home to ask "what the heck is this?", and a human clicked on the "overtake" button or something.

>a human clicked on the “overtake” button

Ok. So what are the consequences for this human operator and/or Waymo?

Human drivers make mistakes all the time, it’s true. But there are consequences for those mistakes. If a human drives into the opposite lane that’s a big problem, especially if they end up causing property damage or bodily injury. Why are the same standards not being applied here?

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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You would expect a captcha that shows you two yellow lines, and asks you on which side of the yellow lines a car should be driving. Wether there are unicycles present is totally irrelevant.

As always there is a relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1897/

My Driverless Car Is Driving Me To Distraction

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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To be fair, I've seen many human drivers doing equally stupid things.

Yes tired, drunk or raging people do stupid shit. But the goal is not exactly to have autonomous driving at their level ...

There are a few more categories of people who often do stupid shit, many of which are fairly mundane and far less easy to disregard (such as: momentarily distracted / semi-permanently fiddling with their phone / dangerously incompetent).

I don't think it's unfair to point out that humans, quite often, also suck quite badly at driving.

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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That's why they still are in research and not widely available.

Why are they conducting experimental research on public roads in densely populated cities?

Why do we allow human trials of new drugs?
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