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Re: HTML-first, framework-agnostic implementation of shadcn/UI – franken/UI

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Post by _akhe »

emseetech wrote: post #130
afavour wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I know it’s crotchety old man territory but I find CSS absolutely fine to work with these days, now that we have variables etc. Every time I’ve added PostCSS, Tailwind or whatever I’ve found my build times jump a ton and I don’t get a whole lot of use out of it. Plain CSS and containerisation provided by Svelte (or the forthcoming scope stuff) is more than enough for me.

CSS is a dream these days. I understand why it’s intimidating for devs because it’s not meant for engineers it’s meant for designer so it has a wildly different set of assumptions and expectations. But learning it is 100% worth it. Tailwind is like an ORM. I get the appeal but if you know SQL /CSS it’s just going to get in the way.

I like the SQL/CSS analogy, with the full-stack spectrum being like:

  SQL - Backend - Frontend - CSS
Most people just want to stay in the middle doing backend/frontend ("full-stack") work because it's just writing functions. Or because it's building the core of a feature, where things like database work and styling is pushed off or abstracted in libraries.

But on each end is where all the interesting stuff is really happening, and a full-stack dev who embraces both SQL and CSS is a lot more useful than a full-stack dev who stays in the middle.

Re: HTML-first, framework-agnostic implementation of shadcn/UI – franken/UI

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Post by balls187 »

emseetech wrote: post #130
afavour wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I know it’s crotchety old man territory but I find CSS absolutely fine to work with these days, now that we have variables etc. Every time I’ve added PostCSS, Tailwind or whatever I’ve found my build times jump a ton and I don’t get a whole lot of use out of it. Plain CSS and containerisation provided by Svelte (or the forthcoming scope stuff) is more than enough for me.

CSS is a dream these days. I understand why it’s intimidating for devs because it’s not meant for engineers it’s meant for designer so it has a wildly different set of assumptions and expectations. But learning it is 100% worth it. Tailwind is like an ORM. I get the appeal but if you know SQL /CSS it’s just going to get in the way.

In addition to intimidating—there is the rote repetitiveness: how many times do you want to style the same components? Or adding the same custom components.

Sometimes I just wanna work on my app and not write css.

Re: HTML-first, framework-agnostic implementation of shadcn/UI – franken/UI

#139

Post by spiderfarmer »

andrethegiant wrote: post #132

How about some color? Or in other words, how much longer until the Vercel-inspired brutalism fad wears off?

The idea is that this is neutral enough to gain an impression and that you theme it yourself. That has been the idea for each UI library ever since bootstrap. Doesn't mean that people take the time to actually customize it.

Re: HTML-first, framework-agnostic implementation of shadcn/UI – franken/UI

#140

Post by rzmmm »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #121

This is definitely not HTML first, though. This is TS first, JS second, CSS third, and only then, HTML last. I'm all for clean frameworks, but this is very far removed from the idea of putting HTML first.

The extreme version of HTML first: classless CSS libraries. IMO every web developer should be aware that these are sometimes a great option https://github.com/dbohdan/classless-css
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