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> Government provided will never work fine I beg to differ. I'm French. Not everything about our government is satisfactory (very far from it) but the one thing that's fantastic is the food in our schools: fixed menus (no pick and choose where kids would take fries and nothing else), with real meals of two main courses + cheese + desert (usually fruit). And it shows, too; while children's obesity rates have been gett…
What happens when kids have special dietary requirements? For instance Jewish kids whose families want them to eat kosher food, or kids with various food allergies, etc.
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> Government provided will never work fine I beg to differ. I'm French. Not everything about our government is satisfactory (very far from it) but the one thing that's fantastic is the food in our schools: fixed menus (no pick and choose where kids would take fries and nothing else), with real meals of two main courses + cheese + desert (usually fruit). And it shows, too; while children's obesity rates have been gett…
What happens when kids have special dietary requirements? For instance Jewish kids whose families want them to eat kosher food, or kids with various food allergies, etc.
Now things have changed a little; you can specify that your kid doesn't eat pork or is allergic to nuts -- but that's about it.
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A little variation on your statement... "If parents don't see child nutrition as a priority, their priority list needs to be burned to the ground. Are we honestly expected to believe that a first world nation's family can't find room in the budget to give their own children vegetables and prepare food for them ?" Since when is the political system responsible of what your children should or should not eat ? Is that e…
Are we honestly expected to believe that a first world nation's family can't find room in the budget to give their own children vegetables and prepare food for them ? Well yes, it is sad but true that a first world country, in spite of its wealth, can be home to very poor families. Of course bad nutrition is also a cultural problem, there are many parents that could do a better job at feeding their children. But how…
I don't understand why whenever this is an issue in society, it becomes something that the government has to go and fix. In the not so distant past, (let's say, at least up until the early 1950s), a number of problems were adressed by private (as in, non-governmental) initiatives (from profit and non-profit organizations, or simply community, family support). Now, we expect government to take care of everything. There seems to be no space for other solutions. Private initiatives seem to have completely disappeared from most people's mindset. This kind of mindset is even pervasive in the economical system where many people now believe it is the role of Government to "stimulate" the Economy. As if, the Economy was a "by-product" of government intervention!
I DO think there are clear limits between government scope and private scope, and in most modern countries this is something that the Constitution usually clarifies. You find that such limits are usually lacking in countries which tend to turn to despotism and dictatorship. When you break these boundaries, you end up (after a while, step by step...) with governments suppressing freedom of speech and telling people how they have to think. That is exactly why there are several Privacy Advocate groups which pay a lot of attention to this kind of issues.
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#125I am really happy and surprised at the same time, to know that children in first world countries get facilities like eating such awesome food provided for free in school. In my country(India), its a extremely far fetched thing to even assume that somebody can provide such good quality food for free in school. When I was in School around 12 years back, We would carry a lunch Tiffin packed at home, sometimes I would go…
Hostel food?
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#126I am really happy and surprised at the same time, to know that children in first world countries get facilities like eating such awesome food provided for free in school. In my country(India), its a extremely far fetched thing to even assume that somebody can provide such good quality food for free in school. When I was in School around 12 years back, We would carry a lunch Tiffin packed at home, sometimes I would go…
The situation in India is certainly much worse than that in Great Britain, though. I really hope the country will be able to stem the tide of poverty, overpopulation, and corruption.
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"... The UK has the highest rate of childhood obesity in Europe, with 25% of young people being classified as obese or overweight. The Government’s Foresight report suggests this will only get worse, with 40% of Britons expected to be obese by 2025 ...." [0] Are these constraints factoring in the long term health benefits & lower health costs? [0] "Why is school food important?" ~ http://www.jamieoliver.com/school-di…
it's not school food making them fat. It's parent spending money on highly taxed cigarettes, sports clothes and lottery tickets then moaning that all they can feed their kids is processed shit. Ban cigarettes entirely, stop the lottery and give benefit claimants vouchers rather than cash and health problems will decline instantly. This comes from experience working in schools (I do part time reading with primary scho…
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it's not school food making them fat. It's parent spending money on highly taxed cigarettes, sports clothes and lottery tickets then moaning that all they can feed their kids is processed shit. Ban cigarettes entirely, stop the lottery and give benefit claimants vouchers rather than cash and health problems will decline instantly. This comes from experience working in schools (I do part time reading with primary scho…
Not sure about the vouchers idea. You can already get milk vouchers and I've seen people exchange them for things other than milk.
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Are we honestly expected to believe that a first world nation's family can't find room in the budget to give their own children vegetables and prepare food for them ? Well yes, it is sad but true that a first world country, in spite of its wealth, can be home to very poor families. Of course bad nutrition is also a cultural problem, there are many parents that could do a better job at feeding their children. But how…
"But how would you address this cultural issue without some kind of government intervention? Doing nothing but blaming the parents doesn't help much." I don't understand why whenever this is an issue in society, it becomes something that the government has to go and fix. In the not so distant past, (let's say, at least up until the early 1950s), a number of problems were adressed by private (as in, non-governmental)…
So why should the government get involved? Let's look at the case of school meals. Many parents want them but it's not provided by the state school, so parents will team up to make it happen privately. This means negotiating with the school for access to a building on the premises, forming a committee to organize the whole thing (so having elections at periodic intervals to appoint the committee), hiring cooks, cleaners, security, etc., setting up a system for collecting money from parents, and finally establishing a process for decisions such as what to put on the menu.
We basically end up with a small task-specific government with its own laws (such as how decisions are made and how people are elected to the committee). So not only is it redundant with other local (e.g. city) governments, it also increases the complexity of everyone's life dramatically, as you have to deal with the public government plus all the private organizations, each with their own quirks.
This is why I view politics as a generic platform for debate on societal issues, and government as a framework for taking and implementing decisions. For this to be efficient it is important to have strong local governments at several levels (e.g. city, state, country) and choose wisely their respective prerogatives, such as city level for school meals, state level for school programs and country level for school certification. That does not mean there is no room for private initiatives, it just illustrates why government involvement could be a good option, sometimes.
As for the Constitution stuff, there's no question that a government should be monitored carefully and have limited powers (e.g. cannot force children to eat school meals), but this is different from saying it cannot offer school meals.