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North Korean animation outsourcing for Amazon, HBO Max series

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Re: North Korean animation outsourcing for Amazon, HBO Max series

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Post by jsheard »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #76
LarsDu88 wrote: post #31

When I saw the title, I immediately thought of the show "Invincible" which had abysmal animation, and lo and behold, its right there are the top of the list.

Our of curiosity why did you think Invincible had abysmal animation? Which is ironic since in the last seasons they even broke the fourth wall and did a tongue in cheek poke at their audience who criticize their animation quality explaining how they're under crunch and what techniques they use to cut corners. Quite clever actually. Didn't think they were covering up their North Korean animators though lol.

They didn't do themselves any favors by putting out a nicely animated teaser for season 2, which was made by a studio that otherwise didn't work on season 2 at all (they were busy animating Captain Laserhawk for Netflix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjDOpHuUppU

Re: North Korean animation outsourcing for Amazon, HBO Max series

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Post by loudmax »

johnea wrote: post #2

Isn't North Korea working on something like cartoon animation, a good thing?

These aren't North Korean entrepreneurs building businesses in a free market. Any enterprise in North Korea should be understood as slave labor to provide support for a criminal regime.

Re: North Korean animation outsourcing for Amazon, HBO Max series

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Post by Arrath »

geraldwhen wrote: post #77
karaterobot wrote: post #35

The HN headline is more clickbaitey than the original article, which has a different headline and goes out if its way to point out that Amazon and HBO are likely not the ones doing the outsourcing to North Korea. > There is no evidence to suggest that the companies identified in the images had any knowledge that a part of their project had been subcontracted to North Korean animators. In fact, as the editing comments…

Not really. Outsourcing and then claiming ignorance is not a defense against financing North Korea.

Classic 'two steps removed' syndrome.

"I told X to get it done. What X did to get it done is not my fault/responsibility."

Re: North Korean animation outsourcing for Amazon, HBO Max series

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Post by Arrath »

godelski wrote: post #20

Seems like a difficult problem to solve. It shows the importance of paying close attention. NK has shown to be quite good at bypassing sanctions but it seems that the link is almost always through China. It would seem that the best way to go about this would be through stricter negotiations with them, since they are already acting as a significant intermediary. Either they know about this or the great firewall is not…

To be fair its not only this thread.

Re: North Korean animation outsourcing for Amazon, HBO Max series

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Post by exhilaration »

karaterobot wrote: post #35

The HN headline is more clickbaitey than the original article, which has a different headline and goes out if its way to point out that Amazon and HBO are likely not the ones doing the outsourcing to North Korea. > There is no evidence to suggest that the companies identified in the images had any knowledge that a part of their project had been subcontracted to North Korean animators. In fact, as the editing comments…

But that's the most interesting part of the article - that Amazon and HBO projects are being worked on by NORTH KOREAN workers!!! I totally agree with the HN headline and I'm glad it got me to click and read the entire article.

Re: North Korean animation outsourcing for Amazon, HBO Max series

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Post by beaeglebeachh »

Arrath wrote: post #85
geraldwhen wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Outsourcing and then claiming ignorance is not a defense against financing North Korea.

Classic 'two steps removed' syndrome. "I told X to get it done. What X did to get it done is not my fault/responsibility."

If it's possible to accidentally pay north Korea that should be the fault of whatever financial institution (which is held to far more KYC and AML than animators) caused that to happen, presuming it went through the financial system. HBO likely had no mens rea beyond cash flow out animation flow in.

If I can't trust the bank to know more about the UBO of some rando after KYC what the hell are we doing this for?

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Post by Yeul »

Arrath wrote: post #85
geraldwhen wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Outsourcing and then claiming ignorance is not a defense against financing North Korea.

Classic 'two steps removed' syndrome. "I told X to get it done. What X did to get it done is not my fault/responsibility."

The EU recently introduced a law to counter that. Companies are responsible for their entire production chain.
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