So much for IA helping to create jobs.
If the jobs is moving boxes around, then I think we are good. monitary and fiscal policies will keep employment high regardless of AI and robotics.
Wishful thinking.
Amazon grows to over 750k robots, replacing 100k humans
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#82So much for IA helping to create jobs.
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Re: Amazon grows to over 750k robots, replacing 100k humans
#83So much for IA helping to create jobs.
Doesn't say much about that either way, as Amazon in particular already had a known problem of running out of people willing to work for them: https://www.vox.com/recode/23170900/leaked-amazon-memo-wareh... The last 200 years of automation being followed by new jobs is slightly stronger evidence that further automation will lead to new jobs, but I don't see any way that could remain true once AI is actually human per…
My guess it has to do with shit conditions. I mean, shit break must be off the clock? F that.
Re: Amazon grows to over 750k robots, replacing 100k humans
#84So much for IA helping to create jobs.
Doesn't say much about that either way, as Amazon in particular already had a known problem of running out of people willing to work for them: https://www.vox.com/recode/23170900/leaked-amazon-memo-wareh... The last 200 years of automation being followed by new jobs is slightly stronger evidence that further automation will lead to new jobs, but I don't see any way that could remain true once AI is actually human per…
It turns out that for the time being robots don't complain to be handled like slaves.
The real problem is when others follow Amazon in scale, leaving humans to survive in a new order.
Re: Amazon grows to over 750k robots, replacing 100k humans
#85It's clear that technological development creates a shift in jobs, i.e some jobs are lost, but new ones are created as a result. Whether the total #jobs increases or decreases is debatable. The issue that I see addressed less often is that the new jobs require by definition, a higher skill set. (You wouldn't displace 100 manual labor workers with a machine that requires 105 workers to maintain). So by definition, the…
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the jobs is moving boxes around, then I think we are good. monitary and fiscal policies will keep employment high regardless of AI and robotics.
Wishful thinking.
are you saying that employment is low now because of the automation we have seen over the past 100 years?
are you saying that interest rates are not being lowered to allow kapital. investment for job creation?
Re: Amazon grows to over 750k robots, replacing 100k humans
#87Re: Amazon grows to over 750k robots, replacing 100k humans
#88It's clear that technological development creates a shift in jobs, i.e some jobs are lost, but new ones are created as a result. Whether the total #jobs increases or decreases is debatable. The issue that I see addressed less often is that the new jobs require by definition, a higher skill set. (You wouldn't displace 100 manual labor workers with a machine that requires 105 workers to maintain). So by definition, the…
Wait a minute. Higher skill jobs? For at least a decade, the place jobs shifted to was Amazon. If you lost your job because Amazon put your company out of business, you could get a worse, more humiliating job working at an Amazon warehouse, or as an Amazon driver. It was not higher skill jobs the market shifted to, it was Nomadland jobs. Now that Amazon is switching to robots, where are those people Amazon is putting…
That's the point.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's time we take on bigger and harder problems to solve. Living on another planet is a hard problem but only one company is working on that. We need multiple such companies tackling bigger problems. Solving climate change, dealing with plastic are other bigger problems. I beleive there's no shortage of jobs. What if we start cleaning earth or reverse effects of human civilization on earth to make it more sustainable…
> Living on another planet is a hard problem but only one company is working on that. There's an organization called NASA working on it.
Does NASA have any planetary colonization program?
They do plan the Artemis mission, but AFAIK that is about establishing a tiny scientific base on the Moon, probably with regular exchange of the crew. I don't think they proclaimed an ambition to settle massive amounts of people there.
For me "living on another planet" is only really SpaceX's goal. Build a semi-independent nation on Mars, with a million or more people necessary.
That is very different from a scientific base project.
Re: Amazon grows to over 750k robots, replacing 100k humans
#90About 20 years ago I was a programmer at a manufacturing company. I worked on a project to automate part of materials requirements planning. The woman who was in charge of it was spending about 20 hours per week wrangling Excel spreadsheets to figure out what materials they needed. It was all based on data we had: inventory, orders, etc. A few weeks later, and with a fair amount of her help, I'd automated the whole t…
> That project took half a job out of the economy. A decent one at that, a nice cushy desk job. Or it allowed the employee to shift to more valuable, interesting work rather than menial tasks that could easily be done by a computer.
But, some already operate at their peak. Then, you automate that and they can only shift to unemployment. The conversation shouldn't be about replacing the most skilled workers. The conversation should be about what happens to the average worker. That has an average IQ level. That can't learn something to compete with the automation. These people have families. These people will suffer.