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Show HN: We relaunched the Official MTA App for NYC public transit

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Re: Show HN: We relaunched the Official MTA App for NYC public transit

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The worst thing in mapping software is Google Maps public transport. Ten minute walk to the subway/tube then a fourteen minute ride? Every other app, like citymapper or apple maps, tell you this takes 24 minutes. Google Maps simply omits the walk time and incorrectly tells you the journey takes 14 minutes - making you late.

This isn’t true. I just looked for directions to somewhere in my city that involves an estimated 3 minute walk to the tram stop and a 34 minute ride and it correctly reported 37 minute journey. I already knew this though because it’s walking speed estimates are a little slow for me, so I often arrive earlier than I need to.

Re: Show HN: We relaunched the Official MTA App for NYC public transit

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post #7

Back before there was a mobile app, I just made a tiny web page that polled the API: https://jrock.us/mta.html It served me very well for many years (just added it to my phone's home screen as a bookmark). It doesn't work anymore (CORS), so I guess I might as well install the app.

You might like Here: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/here-nyc-subway-arrivals/id644...

I use it because it opens instantly and just shows me nearby train arrival times. The other apps have always taken too long to bother checking.

Re: Show HN: We relaunched the Official MTA App for NYC public transit

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post #15

This looks _very_ similar to TFL Go [0], the equivalent app for London. That's probably a good thing, as I really like TFL Go due to its focus on showing transit information as opposed to Google/Apple Maps where that is just a layer on top of shops, restaurants, hotels, etc. [0] https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/tfl-go-live-tube-bus-rail/id14...

In particular, TfL Go also has a focus on upcoming nearby departures rather than directions which Google Maps and Apple Maps prioritise. For anyone with some public transport familiarity, it’s quite nice being about to see your approximate position on a schematic tube/rail map or easily view nearby bus stops.

However, a friend who was briefly visiting London found this quite confusing as it wasn’t focused on navigation. Separately, I find the UI far too information-sparse for my taste compared to some other official apps (Zurich, Prague, etc.) which makes it somewhat inefficient to use, but perhaps this works for some.

Re: Show HN: We relaunched the Official MTA App for NYC public transit

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I've been trying really hard to reserve judgment on this upgrade, but since you're asking here, this is a huge step backwards in usability.

The good: you've added offline maps. Unbelievable oversight from the original app.

The bad: the new app completely fails for essentially all of my practical uses as a local.

My most common use case for the MTA app is to look up the train schedules from whatever station I happen to be near. Most often, this means I am standing in front of a station with lines I don't know well, and I want to know when the next trains will arrive, and where they stop. This redesign makes that 10 times harder than before to find either answer. Specifically:

  * If I don't have the line I'm using starred, it's almost impossible to bring it up quickly. 
It requires (?) a free-text search that doesn't work very well, because numbers and letters are commonly shared amongst train lines and stations. This is a baffling choice -- there aren't that many lines in NYC, and they have distinct iconography. Just list them and let me bookmark the lines (and maybe stations) I care about most.

  * Even if I do happen to have the line starred, getting to the interface I actually care about (the arrival/departure times for whatever station I am near), requires multiple clicks, which I usually screw up. 
Again, trying to reserve judgment here, but I'm a technically savvy person, and I still can't figure out the UI, after several weeks of daily use.

  * Getting to the (ever-present) set of service exceptions is difficult, and even when I know that service is disrupted, it can be nearly impossible to see the relevant alert(s). 
For example: today service was disrupted on the 1,2 and 3 lines at various stations throughout Manhattan, but I was misinformed repeatedly by the app about closures in different directions. I don't have my phone in front of me right now, but the way these are shown is truly baffling, and I can't explain in detail from memory. I'll follow up later with more on why, if you're interested.

  * I rarely need trip planning. If I do, I have a maps that will tell me a plausible route, and do a better job of it. 
What I need from this app is the real-time arrival data, closures, and less often, the system map. Yet this app seems to be pushing trip planning over all other features.

If I had to build this app, I'd do the following:

  * Rip out the trip planning. 
You're not good at it, and you're never going to be as good at it as maps. It just confuses the UI.

  * Keep the system maps. Make the common one available from a single click. Make it available offline.
Again, this is the only major improvement I can identify from the prior verison.

  * The primary screen should be a list of lines. 
I should be able to bookmark lines and stations. Those lines/stations should sort to top.

  * Clicking on a line should take me to the list of stations on that line. Clicking on stations should take me to station pages.
I should be able to toggle between uptown and downtown, and view cached arrival times for all stations, even without network access.

  * The line page should have all the alerts in one place.
I shouldn't have to click multiple times to see the relevant alerts. Put the ones affecting the entire line on the line page. Put the ones affecting particular stations on the station page(s).

  * Stations on the line page should have iconography to indicate if they are currently being skipped due to closures / maintenance.
Goal here is to have one-glance knowledge of the stations being served right now.

  * Stations on the line page should show me the list of lines I can transfer to from that station. 
Bonus points if you indicate which ones aren't running.

  * Ideally, you'd show me the projected arrival times for the current line *to each station on the line page*. 
Having to click a station is failure prone (doesn't work w/o network access), and it doesn't allow me to quickly see if I can go to a different station.

  * BONUS POINTS: automatically use my location to figure out the set of lines/stations near me, and sort these to the top. 
Double points if you preload these, so that they work offline.

Re: Show HN: We relaunched the Official MTA App for NYC public transit

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A quick check seems to show that it doesn't know about the Roosevelt Island Cable Car. Apple maps helpfully recommended it to me just recently.

Not operated by MTA so maybe out of scope.

Dear MTA, 1) Add to map 2) Add "Not MTA" disclaimer 3) Mission Accomplished!

Re: Show HN: We relaunched the Official MTA App for NYC public transit

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post #7

Back before there was a mobile app, I just made a tiny web page that polled the API: https://jrock.us/mta.html It served me very well for many years (just added it to my phone's home screen as a bookmark). It doesn't work anymore (CORS), so I guess I might as well install the app.

You might like Here: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/here-nyc-subway-arrivals/id644... I use it because it opens instantly and just shows me nearby train arrival times. The other apps have always taken too long to bother checking.

Oooh. This looks like exactly what I've wanted out of the MTA app. Thanks!

Re: Show HN: We relaunched the Official MTA App for NYC public transit

#30
post #19

The worst thing in mapping software is Google Maps public transport. Ten minute walk to the subway/tube then a fourteen minute ride? Every other app, like citymapper or apple maps, tell you this takes 24 minutes. Google Maps simply omits the walk time and incorrectly tells you the journey takes 14 minutes - making you late.

Apple Maps does this with some of the larger subway stations in NYC. Get off the bus at Port Authority and get on the 1 train for example. The “entrance” is at the Port Authority bus terminal but it’s a long underground tunnel to walk to get to the 1 train and it doesn’t seem to account for that walking underground since your already in the “station”.
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