I have forgotten the name of another big company that tried this and kinda failed. I hope something comes out of this for Bayer. I remember this because I liked the idea in general and the term stuck with me -- Holacracy (I think I read a book too).
Bayer is getting rid of bosses and asking staff to ‘self-organize’
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#12I’ve worked in an environment where there are no managers for 4 1/2 years and it’s been fantastic. Here’s to getting rid of them in most (but certainly not all!) places.
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#13I have forgotten the name of another big company that tried this and kinda failed. I hope something comes out of this for Bayer. I remember this because I liked the idea in general and the term stuck with me -- Holacracy (I think I read a book too). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy
Zappos, I believe.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zappos-quietly-backed-away-ho...
Re: Bayer is getting rid of bosses and asking staff to ‘self-organize’
#14The WSJ article mentions that the CEO mapped out his plan at a cafe with a McKinsey consultant. No matter how badly this goes, sounds like McKinsey will make out again…
Ah yes, McKinsey, notable experts in decentralized organization and anarchist decision-making practices - although I suppose they make it up as they go along with everything else, so why not this, too.
although I suppose they make it up as they go along
Well, that sort of fits with a lack of organization.
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#15The WSJ article mentions that the CEO mapped out his plan at a cafe with a McKinsey consultant. No matter how badly this goes, sounds like McKinsey will make out again…
What under if McKinsey will start pushing this at other orgs?
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#16I have forgotten the name of another big company that tried this and kinda failed. I hope something comes out of this for Bayer. I remember this because I liked the idea in general and the term stuck with me -- Holacracy (I think I read a book too). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy
I worked for a company that claimed to use this system. Got fired after arguing with my totally no boss.
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#17There seems to be a bit of over-correct going on here:
When Anderson took the helm last June, he learned that the company’s rules and procedures handbook was longer than War and Peace. and “It’s just too hard to get ideas approved, or you have to consult with so many people to make anything happen.”
So sure, makes sense that there needs to be some correction. Yet basically it seems that they're just tossing everything into the bin. Perhaps an actual review of that entire rule book would have been more prudent? I expect they'll have some sort of disaster, then turn around an start writing that rule book from scratch.
I wonder if something crazy will happen. They'll end up with the equivalent of tenured professors, with unlimited grants, working on all sorts of pet projects, yet the result being an explosion of research.
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#18I've been in one self-organizing department, and it was one of the worst experiences of my career. I expect they're going to regret this.
A self organizing department within a sea of non-self organizing departments sounds terrible. Thankfully this is being implemented company wide.
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#19I have forgotten the name of another big company that tried this and kinda failed. I hope something comes out of this for Bayer. I remember this because I liked the idea in general and the term stuck with me -- Holacracy (I think I read a book too). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy
I worked for a company that claimed to use this system. Got fired after arguing with my totally no boss.
You mean your 'advisor'?
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#20It's "holacracy" all over again!
How soon they forget.