Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms
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Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms
#2HN will make snarky comments about doing no evil and avoid reading the part where the NLRB forced their hand by classifying worker protection of subcontractors as de-facto employee status. Good job NLRB.
Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms
#3It appears that they started this as one of their virtue signaling projects, and they seem to have run into real world legal implications. If someone specifies the working conditions including wage and hours they are considered as employers of the contractors.
Conquering the press strategy always works for corporates. They can declare programs and initiatives to virtue signal whatever is catch of the season and they can choose either delay to implement or rollback with less fanfare. They've already gained political currency with in the initial barrage of press releases.
Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms
#4HN will make snarky comments about doing no evil and avoid reading the part where the NLRB forced their hand by classifying worker protection of subcontractors as de-facto employee status. Good job NLRB.
No such luck. Texas Eastern District court overrode that NLRB rule on indirect employment.[1]
(Read the link. This is all about who's the real employer in indirect-employment situations.)
[1] https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/2024/03/nlrb-blocked-from-i...
Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms
#5Google has really shifted their “vibe”. The constant layoffs, deals with the Israeli military, shuttering daycare etc. They don’t seem to care anymore.
While I didn’t care too much about all my email going to a google system Ive definitely been looking for an alternative lately.
Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms
#6Google has really shifted their “vibe”. The constant layoffs, deals with the Israeli military, shuttering daycare etc. They don’t seem to care anymore. While I didn’t care too much about all my email going to a google system Ive definitely been looking for an alternative lately.
I shifted to Fastmail because people here tend to recommend it and I wanted less google in my life.
Two things I didn’t expect was a better web UI and better spam filtering. On top of that I can write to human support and they are both responsive and seem knowledgeable.
Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms
#7I worked part time at google through an employment agency back in college. So I was one of those “not employed by google”-google employees, working part time on a 2 month project.
Almost 10 years later the employment agencies call me out of the blue to tell me google has conducted an internal investigation showing that contractors had lower pay than “real” employees and they are now making up for it and if I could submit my updated bank information.
I mean, that sounds like a Nigerian scammer, but since I did in fact work with the agency that called me, I updated my info and two month later they added ~$200 to my account.
Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms
#8HN will make snarky comments about doing no evil and avoid reading the part where the NLRB forced their hand by classifying worker protection of subcontractors as de-facto employee status. Good job NLRB.
No such luck. Texas Eastern District court overrode that NLRB rule on indirect employment.[1] (Read the link. This is all about who's the real employer in indirect-employment situations.) [1] https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/2024/03/nlrb-blocked-from-i...
That case could still be appealed and overruled. And then it could go to the Supreme Court, which would likely take years to resolve. Better to be safe than sorry, rather than hope that the case will stand.
It also doesn't fix the problem where a number of contractors sue you even if they might be wrong. It could very easily be a class action lawsuit like the one that cost Microsoft a lot of money. They could use those rules as a start and then throw a few other things together such that Google thinks it might have a problem in court and wants to settle rather than risk getting sued by every single contractor.
Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms
#9HN will make snarky comments about doing no evil and avoid reading the part where the NLRB forced their hand by classifying worker protection of subcontractors as de-facto employee status. Good job NLRB.
No such luck. Texas Eastern District court overrode that NLRB rule on indirect employment.[1] (Read the link. This is all about who's the real employer in indirect-employment situations.) [1] https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/2024/03/nlrb-blocked-from-i...
There are two things in the article: the NLRB rule (temporarily paused) and a bargaining order from an Administrative Law Judge who said Google is a joint employer for a particular group of contractors under NLRB case law.
The NLRB makes nearly all its law via adjudication, not rules. The aggressive interpretation of joint employer is what is causing companies to put up walls between employees and contractors so they don’t get swept up by the NLRB.
Re: Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers and staffing firms
#10I worked part time at google through an employment agency back in college. So I was one of those “not employed by google”-google employees, working part time on a 2 month project. Almost 10 years later the employment agencies call me out of the blue to tell me google has conducted an internal investigation showing that contractors had lower pay than “real” employees and they are now making up for it and if I could su…
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