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Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by Turing_Machine »

satvikpendem wrote: post #59
Turing_Machine wrote: post #58

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> You're not the target market I own the business and I buy stuff all the time , just not from places that say "call for pricing". I've got too many other things going on to waste time listening to some lame pitch from a guy who was probably selling shoes last week. If they don't want to sell me stuff because I'm "not their target market", that's fine with me. I'll buy it elsewhere. I'm not sure what crazoid B-school…

You are continuing to show exactly why you're not the target market. Those "call for pricing" companies are targeting large enterprises , not one person owned businesses. That you self select out of their market is exactly what they want. And yes, sometimes companies do make it harder to buy stuff simply because they can make more money and save on customer support and other operational costs if they have a few large…

> You are continuing to show exactly why you're not the target market.

You're continuing to justify the role of salesmen, which is an essentially parasitic role that results in higher prices for everyone.

If my company should get big enough that I have to hire someone to order stuff, I don't want that person wasting time on the phone with salesmen either. Every minute he spends on the phone listening to a sales pitch is a minute he's not actually doing the job I'm paying him for.

"Target market"... pfft.

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by satvikpendem »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #61
satvikpendem wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are continuing to show exactly why you're not the target market. Those "call for pricing" companies are targeting large enterprises , not one person owned businesses. That you self select out of their market is exactly what they want. And yes, sometimes companies do make it harder to buy stuff simply because they can make more money and save on customer support and other operational costs if they have a few large…

> You are continuing to show exactly why you're not the target market. You're continuing to justify the role of salesmen, which is an essentially parasitic role that results in higher prices for everyone. If my company should get big enough that I have to hire someone to order stuff, I don't want that person wasting time on the phone with salesmen either. Every minute he spends on the phone listening to a sales pitch…

Okay, it is clear you've never done sales in your life. Even for the products I make I still have to do sales to convince bigger clients to buy them. If you don't like the game, don't play it, but don't think you're somehow above the game. I will point you to another comment I made regarding the arrogance of developers sometimes when it comes to other disciplines and thinking that others are somehow stupider than themselves [0]. Regardless, I don't think this conversation will yield more productive insights. Goodbye.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40065114#40067754

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by satvikpendem »

pid-1 wrote: post #41
satvikpendem wrote: post #21

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You're not the target market, the CTO, CIO, or business development representatives are. So many developers say they won't ever buy "call for pricing" software, like, yeah, they know you won't, in fact that's what they bank on.

CTO in a financial institution here. I don't talk to sales.

It depends on how large the institution is and how high up you are. At smaller institutions, C-level execs absolutely talk to sales, I've sold products to them myself.

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #61
satvikpendem wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are continuing to show exactly why you're not the target market. Those "call for pricing" companies are targeting large enterprises , not one person owned businesses. That you self select out of their market is exactly what they want. And yes, sometimes companies do make it harder to buy stuff simply because they can make more money and save on customer support and other operational costs if they have a few large…

> You are continuing to show exactly why you're not the target market. You're continuing to justify the role of salesmen, which is an essentially parasitic role that results in higher prices for everyone. If my company should get big enough that I have to hire someone to order stuff, I don't want that person wasting time on the phone with salesmen either. Every minute he spends on the phone listening to a sales pitch…

Don't waste your time, he literally works in sales.

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by EricMausler »

pooloo wrote: post #56
EricMausler wrote: post #44

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I specialize in costing/pricing, not in saas however. There are a lot of reasons why what you are asking for is likely not realistic. It unfortunately does get abused, though, and I fully agree with how bullshit some of the arrangements are. It's just the people taking advantage of the situation are doing so knowing that the "cover" for it is legitimate. Maybe there are ways to address the abuse without forcing upfro…

Cost/pricing is similar enough to a salary, why is it not realistic to have these costs front facing? I can't see anything positive from the consumer perspective with hiding the numbers. The business side, there is always a reason to hide things.

I think demanding upfront pricing could hurt the customer. The company would be forced to overestimate their costs to cover the risk associated with unknown use-case details, making the enterprise price inflated. There would be a big "**" next to the price as well with a long list of conditions that need to be met.

The true costs are not front facing because it may not be clear which part of your product is going to be bearing most of the weight of the enterprise customers use-case until you know exactly what they are buying. Your costs may change a lot based on the nature and scale of what they are buying.

For example, you may be rate limited on a background service they use and the customer usecase will likely pish you over your limit. the next product tier from the background service vendor that's required to fulfill the enterprise company's use-case may cost way more and offer way more capacity than that company is going to use by itself. So you have to make a bet on how much cost to assign to that customer, and how much to assign to other/future customers given you buy that new tier and use it to change what you offer to other customers to try to make use of it. It may lower your cost overall if it supports a feature you can upsell relatively easily. Or it may be a service hardly used at all andyou really can't justify going up to that next tier unless this one enterprise customer pays for nearly all of the added cost

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by Turing_Machine »

satvikpendem wrote: post #62
Turing_Machine wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You are continuing to show exactly why you're not the target market. You're continuing to justify the role of salesmen, which is an essentially parasitic role that results in higher prices for everyone. If my company should get big enough that I have to hire someone to order stuff, I don't want that person wasting time on the phone with salesmen either. Every minute he spends on the phone listening to a sales pitch…

Okay, it is clear you've never done sales in your life. Even for the products I make I still have to do sales to convince bigger clients to buy them. If you don't like the game, don't play it, but don't think you're somehow above the game. I will point you to another comment I made regarding the arrogance of developers sometimes when it comes to other disciplines and thinking that others are somehow stupider than the…

> Okay, it is clear you've never done sales in your life.

What was your first clue? The fact that I consider salesmen to be parasites?

>If you don't like the game, don't play it, but don't think you're somehow above the game.

Oh, I am totally above the game, because I will not talk to you or your fellow salesmen. I will not call you. Ever. If you cold-call me, I'll hang up and block your number. If you show up in person, you'll be asked to leave and informed that any future visits will be considered trespass and result in a call to the towing company to have your car removed and a call to the police to have you removed.

I thought that was made clear.

Is this what you call "negotiation"? Because you suck at it, dude. srsly.

You are in the business of conning people into paying a higher price for goods and services for which they would otherwise have paid less. Every penny of your commission is ripped right out of the customer's pocket, for zero value added.

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