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Re: VASA-1: Lifelike audio-driven talking faces generated in real time

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Post by criddell »

balls187 wrote: post #38

I'm curious what is the reason for deepfake research and what the practical application is. Can someone explain the commercial need to take someones likeness and generate video content? If I was an a-list celebrity, I would give permission for coke to make a commercial with my likeness, provided I am allowed final approval of the finished ad? Do I have an avatar that attends my zoom work calls?

If beautiful people have an advantage in the job market, maybe people will use deepfake technology when doing zoom interviews? Maybe they will use it to alter their accent?

Re: VASA-1: Lifelike audio-driven talking faces generated in real time

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Post by kmlx »

FredPret wrote: post #61

Anyone have any good ideas for how we're going to do politics now? Today a big ML model can do this and it's somewhat regulate-able, tomorrow people can do this on their contact-lens supercomputers and anyone can generate a video of anything. Is going back to personally knowing your local representative the only way? How will we vote for national candidates if nobody knows what they think or say?

> How will we vote for national candidates if nobody knows what they think or say?

i’m going to burst your bubble here, but most voters have no idea about policies or candidates. most voters vote based on inertia or minimal cues, not on policies or candidates.

i suggest you look up “The American Voter”, “The Democratic Dilemma: Can Citizens Learn What They Need to Know?” and “American National Election Studies”.

Re: VASA-1: Lifelike audio-driven talking faces generated in real time

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Post by wumeow »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #80
HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that is really the reason then this is insane and everyone involved should put their keyboards down and stop what they are doing. This would be as if we invented and sold nuclear weapons to dig out quarry mines faster. The inconvenience it saves us quickly disappears into the overwhelming shadow of the enormous harm now enabled.

> This would be as if we invented and sold nuclear weapons to dig out quarry mines faster. ”Project Plowshare was the overall United States program for the development of techniques to use nuclear explosives for peaceful construction purposes.” [0] 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare

Yeah, and it was terminated. Much harder to put this genie back in the bottle.

Re: VASA-1: Lifelike audio-driven talking faces generated in real time

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

hx8 wrote: post #63
throw__away7391 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we are merely returning to the pre-photography state of things where a mere printed image is not sufficient evidence for anything.

True, an image, audio clip, or video is not enough evidence to establish truth. We still need a way to establish truth. It's important for security cameras, for politics, and for public figures. Here are some things we could start looking into. * Cameras that sign their output. Yes, this camera caught this video, and it hasn't been modified. This is a must for recordings being used in court evidence IMO. Otherwise fr…

Blockchains can be used for cryptography time-stamping.

I’ve always had a suspicion that governments and large companies would prefer a world without hard cryptographic proofs. After wikileaks they noticed DKIM can cause them major blowback. Somehow general public isn’t aware all the emails were proven authentic with DKIM signatures and even in fairly educated circles people believe the “emails were fake” but it’s not actually possible.

Re: VASA-1: Lifelike audio-driven talking faces generated in real time

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Post by alex_suzuki »

hx8 wrote: post #63
throw__away7391 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we are merely returning to the pre-photography state of things where a mere printed image is not sufficient evidence for anything.

True, an image, audio clip, or video is not enough evidence to establish truth. We still need a way to establish truth. It's important for security cameras, for politics, and for public figures. Here are some things we could start looking into. * Cameras that sign their output. Yes, this camera caught this video, and it hasn't been modified. This is a must for recordings being used in court evidence IMO. Otherwise fr…

Signing is great, but the hard part is managing keys and trust.

Re: VASA-1: Lifelike audio-driven talking faces generated in real time

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Post by avidphantasm »

r1chardnl wrote: post #46
balls187 wrote: post #38

I'm curious what is the reason for deepfake research and what the practical application is. Can someone explain the commercial need to take someones likeness and generate video content? If I was an a-list celebrity, I would give permission for coke to make a commercial with my likeness, provided I am allowed final approval of the finished ad? Do I have an avatar that attends my zoom work calls?

Apple Vision Pro personas competition

Thank god. I will finally be able to use my EyeMac with dignity.

Re: VASA-1: Lifelike audio-driven talking faces generated in real time

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Post by user_7832 »

cs702 wrote: post #69

And it's only going to get faster, better, easier, cheaper.[a] Meanwhile, yesterday my credit card company asked me if I wanted to use voice authentication for verifying my identity "more securely" on the phone. Surely the company spent many millions of dollars to enable this new security-theater feature. It begs the question: Is every single executive and manager at my credit card company completely unaware that rig…

> Is every single executive and manager at my credit card company completely unaware that right now anyone can clone anyone else's voice by obtaining a short sample audio clip taken from any social network?

Your mistake is assuming the company cares. The "company" is a hundred different disjointed departments that only care about not getting caught Equifax-style (or filing for bankruptcy if caught). If the marketing director sees a shiny new thing that might boost some random KPI they may not really care about security.

However in the rare chance that your bank is actually half decent, I'd suggest contacting their IT/Security teams about your concerns. Maybe you'll save some folks from getting scammed?

Re: VASA-1: Lifelike audio-driven talking faces generated in real time

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Post by dwb »

FredPret wrote: post #61

Anyone have any good ideas for how we're going to do politics now? Today a big ML model can do this and it's somewhat regulate-able, tomorrow people can do this on their contact-lens supercomputers and anyone can generate a video of anything. Is going back to personally knowing your local representative the only way? How will we vote for national candidates if nobody knows what they think or say?

We already rely on chains of trust going back to the original source, and will still. I find these alarmist posts a bit mystifying – before photography, anyone could fake a quote of anyone, and human civilisation got quite far. We had a bit over a hundred years where phographic-quality images were possible and very hard to fake (which did and still does vary with technology), but clearly now we’re past that. We’ll manage!

Re: VASA-1: Lifelike audio-driven talking faces generated in real time

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Post by fragmede »

cs702 wrote: post #69

And it's only going to get faster, better, easier, cheaper.[a] Meanwhile, yesterday my credit card company asked me if I wanted to use voice authentication for verifying my identity "more securely" on the phone. Surely the company spent many millions of dollars to enable this new security-theater feature. It begs the question: Is every single executive and manager at my credit card company completely unaware that rig…

I mean, what do you want them to do? If we think their security officers are freaking out and holding meetings right now about what to do, or if they're asleep at the wheel, we'd be seeing the same thing from the outside, no?

Re: VASA-1: Lifelike audio-driven talking faces generated in real time

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Post by qwertox »

stronglikedan wrote: post #62
karaterobot wrote: post #55

We need some clear legislation around this right now.

counterpoint: we don't need any more legislation

I tend towards agreeing with you. Many of the problems, like impersonation, are already illegal.

And replacing a person which spreads lies, as can be seen in most TV or glossy cover ads, shouldn't trigger some new legal action. The only difference is that now the actor is also a lie.

And countries which use actors or news anchors for spreading propaganda surely won't see an issue with replacing them with AI characters.

People who then get to read that their most favorite, stunningly beautiful Instagram or TikTok influencer is nothing but a fat, chips-eating ugly person using AI, may try to raise some legal issues to soothe their disappointment. They then might raise a point which sounds reasonable, but which would then force politicians to also tackle the lies which are spread in TV/Magazines ads.

Maybe clearly labeling any use of this tech, maybe even with a QR code linking to who is the owner of the AI, similar to QR codes on meat packaging which allow you to track the origin of the meat, would be something what laws could be helpful with, in the spirit of transparency.

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