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Supporting IE Is Too Much Work

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Re: Supporting IE Is Too Much Work

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Post by vbigham »

axefrog wrote: post #3

I honestly think a lot of hacker types really do live in a bubble where they think it's still 2000, Microsoft is still the same evil company they were, Apple still can do no wrong, most people now use Macs "if they know what's good for them", RoR, node.js and Python are really the only valid technologies for back end development and so forth. Certainly plenty of folks out there using the aforementioned technologies a…

Absolutely. IE still has tons of users in the world, and it seems a joke to not invite them to the party. It doesn't really bother me as much if they change the features per browser platform, but when you visit a site and it browser sniffs and comes back with a blanket message "Browser not supported please upgrade." that's when I know that the dev is a lazy piece of shit. They don't even bother to try to let it degrade so that people can still access the content, they just shut it off. Rediculous and immature is what this is, why would you put effort into being such a hater especially when its your customers that are being stopped?

I suggest that we windows users boycott the sites that simply block IE. If it removes features I would skip it as well. Not supporting IE shows a lack of commitment to your users. As a user, I object to such half-assed notions. Its already bad enough with the entire dev community telling their users what they must do and how they must act. There is really no reason to be blocking IE10 at this point (yes I've seen it and was shocked and amazed that the fool would actually do that).

Re: Supporting IE Is Too Much Work

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Post by vbigham »

fellowniusmonk wrote: post #164
talmand wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. You got me, you're totally right. I point out issues, complain if you will, on an open source project without contributing to it in any way has now made me a lame moocher who is beyond contempt in your eyes because I somehow have a problem with the entirety of the open source community. So, I guess when I see a problem with an open source project done on a platform I don't have access to or coded in a language t…

Finally! A small glimmer of light at the end of a dark tunnel. Yes, emailing a dev, give it a shot! Hell, in my first post I even just suggested posting your question on StackOverflow (you do know what stackoverflow is right?), then if it gets answered people can more easily google for assistance. This new concept of thinking about how you can interact and contribute, awesome! Cultivate that mentality instead of the…

That is such B.S. you come across like you are just nit-picking. Your condescending, primadonna attitude says nothing for your cause, it just makes you look like an idiot.

Let me guess, you are an MS hater and noticed that he posted something about .Net? That he was trying to use phonegap for windows which was a pain (it is BTW a valid complaint, I don't understand either why there was supposedly a build for windows but apparently doesn't work too much)?

Re: Supporting IE Is Too Much Work

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Post by vbigham »

doc4t wrote: post #54

Since so many are complaining about the difficulty of developing/debugging in IE here is a couple of links that should make it easier for you Internet Explorer Developer Toolbar http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=1835... VPC Images for XP/IE6, Vista/IE7, Win7/IE8, Win7/IE9 - you can import the images to VMware and VirtualBox http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=1157... MS Scrip…

Props for posting these! Now we need to turn this list into blog posts.

Re: Supporting IE Is Too Much Work

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Post by satovey »

"It’s expensive getting hardware to test on, taking time to test it, making sure you have a windows installation"

I infer two inferences from the above quote:

Inference 1. The individual is either a non paid, or poorly paid developer,

Inference 2.That developing on a mac is not as financially rewarding as developing on a PC.

Why else would it be to costly to purchase an off the shelf PC from Walmart for $500.00 for the purpose of testing IE 9?

Re: Supporting IE Is Too Much Work

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Post by md8n »

Thanks for your rant Bart and I'd largely have to agree. If you want pixel-perfect equality between all browsers then supporting IE6 is truly a pain. Why anyone would want pixel-perfect equality is beyond me though because the end-users simply don't care. The real argument for the stuff I've worked on wasn't IE vs. the rest, it was HTML4-ish (IE 6,7,8) vs HTML5 (IE9, FF, Chrome, Safari, Opera). Even then using jQuery + Knockout on the client side solved nearly every compatibility problem. There was also an actual advantage with testing against older versions of IE as it enabled us to identify weird performance and behavioural problems earlier. When we ignored a given problem in IE6,7,8 during the development phase the same problem would turn up later in all of the other browsers when the system was under load. Fixing the problem for IE6,7,8 got us a massive jump on fixing the problem for all of the other browsers. Personally for my own stuff the oldest version of IE I test against now is 8. The massive number of XP/IE6 users still out there are in China running a hacked version of XP. As I don't develop for the Chinese market this isn't a problem.

Re: Supporting IE Is Too Much Work

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Post by shazdeh »

IE team should just be SACKED as a WHOLE and Microsoft should get in a new Team. Surely by now everyone in the whole world knows that the IE team is the worst shortsighted incompitent bunch of idiots that exists. Unless of course the project manager is one of Bill Gates relatives. The posts the defend IE in any shape or form, are either simply LYING or should join the existing IE team. IE IS RUBBISH and if we all Stuck a banner NOT Supporting IE, the Web WILL become a better place for everyone.
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