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what I find to be the hardest part of this discussion is that the people who are most righteous and opinionated about technology like this aren’t the same people whose sons and daughters would be in the cockpits or on the battlefields as the alternative.
Once saw a terrible movie that started with a similar premise. I dislike giving any machine the agency to decide when to choose to kill. I feel like that way lies danger. I feel that laundering the burden of death through a machine distasteful.
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There's an inflection point where technology accrues too much power to a ruling class, such that no amount of unrest or revolution is able reset the social order. I believe China has already passed this point. Their culture and individual behavior is tightly controlled (e.g., you can't use public bathrooms if your social score is too low). AI may be the catalyst for western countries.
what I find to be the hardest part of this discussion is that the people who are most righteous and opinionated about technology like this aren’t the same people whose sons and daughters would be in the cockpits or on the battlefields as the alternative.
Please define what you mean by righteous and opiniated. You seem to have a very precise idea of what they would be saying, why not develop that idea here so it can be discussed instead of weirdly veiled ?
I don't like this. While I understand the purpose of HN is to have meaningful and in-depth discussion, and simply stating an opinion doesn't really contribute much, this is something which is so obviously bad and gives such a visceral reaction that the negative opinion outshines anything else I could say about it. I don't like this.
> this is something which is so obviously bad You’d prefer we be shooting down people instead of robots downing robots? Insurgents don’t field fighters.
More seriously tho, here is a positive I can come up with: Race to the bottom on bots and AI, lots and lots of bots and AI, lots and lots of upgrades and updates all the time, and then a MAD stalemate situation again because it becomes it's too difficult to assess the capabilities of the other countries AIs. If that bought us years of peace because everyone was to scare to fight, I'm ok-ish with that (although I doubt it's what will happen).
I don't like this. While I understand the purpose of HN is to have meaningful and in-depth discussion, and simply stating an opinion doesn't really contribute much, this is something which is so obviously bad and gives such a visceral reaction that the negative opinion outshines anything else I could say about it. I don't like this.
> this is something which is so obviously bad You’d prefer we be shooting down people instead of robots downing robots? Insurgents don’t field fighters.
For a given amount of shooting, the number of civilian casualties is not necessarily constant. It's possible that AI may be more prone to targeting civilians or makes it easier to get away politically with killing civilians.
Not all shooting is equally effective. It's possible that AI weapons may give some faction the ability to crush anyone who opposes them.
There's an inflection point where technology accrues too much power to a ruling class, such that no amount of unrest or revolution is able reset the social order. I believe China has already passed this point. Their culture and individual behavior is tightly controlled (e.g., you can't use public bathrooms if your social score is too low). AI may be the catalyst for western countries.
look at the upside, we may be able to eliminate school shootings when the AI-powered turrets are installed in every classroom.
For example, using long range radar the pilot selects several enemy jets, and directs the drones to engage those jets. Or the pilot can direct a drone to go ahead of his formation to penetrate hostile air space and collect data he can use to decide next steps.
ACE creates a hierarchical framework for autonomy in which higher-level cognitive functions (e.g., developing an overall engagement strategy, selecting and prioritizing targets, determining best weapon or effect, etc.) may be performed by a human, while lower-level functions (i.e., details of aircraft maneuver and engagement tactics) is left to the autonomous system.[0]
Eventually this will be integrated with the F35[1] reducing risk to human pilots.
0. https://www.darpa.mil/program/air-combat-evolution
1. https://breakingdefense.com/2022/09/lockheed-investing-100m-...
There's an inflection point where technology accrues too much power to a ruling class, such that no amount of unrest or revolution is able reset the social order. I believe China has already passed this point. Their culture and individual behavior is tightly controlled (e.g., you can't use public bathrooms if your social score is too low). AI may be the catalyst for western countries.