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Re: Meta Llama 3

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I'm so surprised that Meta is actually leading the open source AI landscape?! I've used llama2 extensively and can't wait to try out llama3 now. I can't believe that it does better than Claude 3 in benchmarks (though admittedly claude 3 seems to have been nerfed recently) I sure do wish there was more info about how its trained and its training data.

Why do people keep saying that Claude3 has been nerfed? Their CTO has said on Twitter multiple times that not a single byte has been changed since its launch, so I'm curious why I keep hearing this. edit: having trouble finding the tweet I saw recently, it might have been from their lead engineer and not the CTO.

Why would the CTO/lead engineer admit that they nerfed the model even if they did? It’s all closed, how does admitting it benefit them? I would much rather trust the people using it everyday.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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post #4

They've got a console for it as well, https://www.meta.ai/ And announcing a lot of integration across the Meta product suite, https://about.fb.com/news/2024/04/meta-ai-assistant-built-wi... Neglected to include comparisons against GPT-4-Turbo or Claude Opus, so I guess it's far from being a frontier model. We'll see how it fares in the LLM Arena.

> And announcing a lot of integration across the Meta product suite, ...

That's ominous...

Re: Meta Llama 3

#24

I'm so surprised that Meta is actually leading the open source AI landscape?! I've used llama2 extensively and can't wait to try out llama3 now. I can't believe that it does better than Claude 3 in benchmarks (though admittedly claude 3 seems to have been nerfed recently) I sure do wish there was more info about how its trained and its training data.

They’ve been generous with their AI models for a while now. The Starspace embedding model comes to mind and that was 7 years ago

https://arxiv.org/abs/1709.03856

Re: Meta Llama 3

#26

The model card has the benchmark results relative to other Llama models including Llama 2: https://github.com/meta-llama/llama3/blob/main/MODEL_CARD.md... The dramatic performance increase of Llama 3 relative to Llama 2 (even Llama 2 13B!) is very impressive. Doubling the context window to 8k will open a lot of new oppertunities too.

Disappointed to note that the 8k context length is far short of Mixtral 8x22B's 64k context length.

Still, the published performance metrics are impressive. Kudos to Meta for putting these models out there.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people keep saying that Claude3 has been nerfed? Their CTO has said on Twitter multiple times that not a single byte has been changed since its launch, so I'm curious why I keep hearing this. edit: having trouble finding the tweet I saw recently, it might have been from their lead engineer and not the CTO.

Why would the CTO/lead engineer admit that they nerfed the model even if they did? It’s all closed, how does admitting it benefit them? I would much rather trust the people using it everyday.

I wouldn't recommend that, it is tempting, but leaves you self-peasantizing and avoiding learnings.

Re: Meta Llama 3

#28
Is there a download link for this model like LLAMA2 or is it going to be exclusively owned and operated by Meta this time?

Re: Meta Llama 3

#29

I'm so surprised that Meta is actually leading the open source AI landscape?! I've used llama2 extensively and can't wait to try out llama3 now. I can't believe that it does better than Claude 3 in benchmarks (though admittedly claude 3 seems to have been nerfed recently) I sure do wish there was more info about how its trained and its training data.

Why do people keep saying that Claude3 has been nerfed? Their CTO has said on Twitter multiple times that not a single byte has been changed since its launch, so I'm curious why I keep hearing this. edit: having trouble finding the tweet I saw recently, it might have been from their lead engineer and not the CTO.

I suspect that there is some psychological effect going on where people adjust their expectations and start to be more open to noticing flaws after working with it for a while. Seems to be a recurring thing with most models.

Re: Meta Llama 3

#30

I'm so surprised that Meta is actually leading the open source AI landscape?! I've used llama2 extensively and can't wait to try out llama3 now. I can't believe that it does better than Claude 3 in benchmarks (though admittedly claude 3 seems to have been nerfed recently) I sure do wish there was more info about how its trained and its training data.

Why do people keep saying that Claude3 has been nerfed? Their CTO has said on Twitter multiple times that not a single byte has been changed since its launch, so I'm curious why I keep hearing this. edit: having trouble finding the tweet I saw recently, it might have been from their lead engineer and not the CTO.

Over yonder: https://x.com/alexalbert__/status/1780707227130863674

my $0.02: it makes me very uncomfortable that people misunderstand LLMs enough to even think this is possible

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