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CFPB Takes Action Against Coding Boot Camp BloomTech and CEO Austen Allred

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Re: CFPB Takes Action Against Coding Boot Camp BloomTech and CEO Austen Allred

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Are there any legit income-sharing schools of this type, tech or otherwise? Done fairly, it sounds like an interesting alternative to upfront tuition. On the surface it doesn't seem like a bad model, but of course it could be twisted to evil ends. From the article: > The loans carry substantial risk, as a single missed payment triggers a default and the remainder of the $30,000 “cap” becomes due immediately. > Studen…

Yes. Most states have a system where students attend school, receive an education, and pay the school back using a portion of their income after graduation.

They're often referred to as "public schools", and ISAs are often called "taxes".

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Unreal: > Allred tweeted that the school achieved a 100 percent job-placement rate in one of its cohorts, and later acknowledged in a private message that the sample size was just one student.

When confronted about this on Hacker News, Austen defended himself with: > I did say the hiring rate of a cohort of one student was 100%. And in the same tweet I said, in all caps BUT VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. Odd how that doesn’t make the article, don’t you think? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26813371 Incidentally, it did make it into the article he's referring to, twice.

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I attended Lambda when it was first starting out. I think I was in the third or fourth cohort. At the time, the sell was that you didn't have to pay anything unless you got a job using the skills you learned from them. I was pretty naïve, I guess. Things seemed fine in the beginning. The instructors were good, and I liked that there were actual live classes. Things degraded very quickly. They kept changing the format…

Not a surprise. Allred was basically a marketing shill with no educational background before lambda / bloomtech. Not a surprise then, the claims they make will be borderline fraud.

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In January 2020, as news broke about Lambda School's scummy behavior, Graham gave Austen a pep talk which he later expanded into the essay, "Haters." It has aged like a fine milk. https://paulgraham.com/fh.html

The more we see the legacy of PG’s various protégés and “thought leadership” out in the world the more I start to think Jessica Livingston might have been responsible for much more of YC’s successful trajectory than people realized at the time.

Candidly, that was pretty clear even decades ago when this was an obscure little place.

PG, for example, didn’t realize that discriminating against people who have children might not be great until he himself had kids.

He’s a mid dude with gross feet who came up with a wildly profitable business model (6% equity in as many promising founders as possible).

Re: CFPB Takes Action Against Coding Boot Camp BloomTech and CEO Austen Allred

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post #8

Unreal: > Allred tweeted that the school achieved a 100 percent job-placement rate in one of its cohorts, and later acknowledged in a private message that the sample size was just one student.

When confronted about this on Hacker News, Austen defended himself with: > I did say the hiring rate of a cohort of one student was 100%. And in the same tweet I said, in all caps BUT VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. Odd how that doesn’t make the article, don’t you think? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26813371 Incidentally, it did make it into the article he's referring to, twice.

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Re: CFPB Takes Action Against Coding Boot Camp BloomTech and CEO Austen Allred

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post #8

Unreal: > Allred tweeted that the school achieved a 100 percent job-placement rate in one of its cohorts, and later acknowledged in a private message that the sample size was just one student.

When confronted about this on Hacker News, Austen defended himself with: > I did say the hiring rate of a cohort of one student was 100%. And in the same tweet I said, in all caps BUT VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. Odd how that doesn’t make the article, don’t you think? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26813371 Incidentally, it did make it into the article he's referring to, twice.

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Re: CFPB Takes Action Against Coding Boot Camp BloomTech and CEO Austen Allred

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post #8

Unreal: > Allred tweeted that the school achieved a 100 percent job-placement rate in one of its cohorts, and later acknowledged in a private message that the sample size was just one student.

When confronted about this on Hacker News, Austen defended himself with: > I did say the hiring rate of a cohort of one student was 100%. And in the same tweet I said, in all caps BUT VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. Odd how that doesn’t make the article, don’t you think? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26813371 Incidentally, it did make it into the article he's referring to, twice.

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/Years/ ago, I tweeted something about how companies like Uber and Lambda were privatizing public services. ISAs specifically seem like a privatization of taxes. Austen Allred quote-tweeted me to his gazillion followers and caused a big pile-on about how awful and wrong and anti-progress I was. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

I’d be interested to read a post/article about the privatization of public services

Re: CFPB Takes Action Against Coding Boot Camp BloomTech and CEO Austen Allred

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If you look at the founder's backgrounds it makes this seem all the more likely.

Before BloomTech, Austen was a develop for a payday loans company. His cofounder, Ben Nelson, worked as a software instructor, and left BloomTech in 2021. So maybe it's less surprising that the innovation here was in the financing, not the teaching.

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