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Analyzing a Baking Recipe

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Re: Analyzing a Baking Recipe

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Good grief! How do people live like that? I wonder if they make any money from all those advertisements, surely no one would visit twice.

Re: Analyzing a Baking Recipe

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As opposed to cooks, who love measurements like - a carrot - four cloves of garlic - an onion - yolk of one medium egg - salt to taste because cooking isn't a science and precise measurements are generally worse than useless. If you spend more of your time trying to perfect the measurement instead of paying attention to the texture and flavor then you are cooking very well. People insist baking is different, but it r…

It absolutely is different. It may not seem so to a non baker, but regular cooking has a lot more leeway. Baking consistently requires a much finer degree of control over the variables. The difference between "a pinch of baking powder" vs "5 grams of baking powder" is entirely different. In the first case, you're left wondering why pancakes came out good last time and why are they inedible this time. I'm no great coo…

I disagree, as long as we're talking in ratios instead of absolute amounts. The difference between "a pinch of baking powder" vs "5 grams of baking powder" is about a factor of 20. I think the main differences between baking and other cooking are that: 1) There are often very large ratios of certain ingredients in baking which -- except for spices -- is not generally the case in other cooking; 2) You can often taste the food in an intermediate stage when cooking, and adjust the ratios -- e.g. for spices -- which is not generally as useful when baking.

Of course using a scale is a good way to keep the ratios from getting too out of wack, and I usually do it too when baking and almost never when cooking.

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Absolutely cringe worthy. The painful thing is it’s just a simple conversation factor but I couldn’t take the article seriously after that. Speaking of reinventing, the article rediscovered the concept of bakers percentage, which is how bakers always describe recipes! Except baker’s percentage is unit agnostic and not susceptible to variations in volumetric measurement, ingredient density, and non-universal cup sizes…

But it isn't just a conversion factor exactly for the reasons you state: a cup of flour will be different weight based on brand, how much it settled in the bag etc. Always have to deal with weights.

Do those factors also affect how much volume you need?

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"for engineers", proceeds to measure baking ingredients by volume...

As opposed to cooks, who love measurements like - a carrot - four cloves of garlic - an onion - yolk of one medium egg - salt to taste because cooking isn't a science and precise measurements are generally worse than useless. If you spend more of your time trying to perfect the measurement instead of paying attention to the texture and flavor then you are cooking very well. People insist baking is different, but it r…

Patisserie requires exact proportions.

The example you gave isn't related to patisserie.

My best crêpe recipe I have gives eggs in grams - not in numbers of whole eggs. The remainder turns into a small portion of scrambled eggs or omelette.

https://www.lemonde.fr/les-recettes-du-monde/article/2018/07...

See also the "Bayesian cookies": https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.c...

Re: Analyzing a Baking Recipe

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This strikes me as a pointless refactoring of baking because it mostly serves to make the engineer feel smart.

When engineering is applied to cooking, it usually looks a lot more like Kenji Alt-Lopez and his peers when they refactor a recipe to produce a classic dish without any superstitious steps.

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As opposed to cooks, who love measurements like - a carrot - four cloves of garlic - an onion - yolk of one medium egg - salt to taste because cooking isn't a science and precise measurements are generally worse than useless. If you spend more of your time trying to perfect the measurement instead of paying attention to the texture and flavor then you are cooking very well. People insist baking is different, but it r…

It absolutely is different. It may not seem so to a non baker, but regular cooking has a lot more leeway. Baking consistently requires a much finer degree of control over the variables. The difference between "a pinch of baking powder" vs "5 grams of baking powder" is entirely different. In the first case, you're left wondering why pancakes came out good last time and why are they inedible this time. I'm no great coo…

The best cake baker I know weighs her eggs and scales all other ingredients accordingly.

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As opposed to cooks, who love measurements like - a carrot - four cloves of garlic - an onion - yolk of one medium egg - salt to taste because cooking isn't a science and precise measurements are generally worse than useless. If you spend more of your time trying to perfect the measurement instead of paying attention to the texture and flavor then you are cooking very well. People insist baking is different, but it r…

It absolutely is different. It may not seem so to a non baker, but regular cooking has a lot more leeway. Baking consistently requires a much finer degree of control over the variables. The difference between "a pinch of baking powder" vs "5 grams of baking powder" is entirely different. In the first case, you're left wondering why pancakes came out good last time and why are they inedible this time. I'm no great coo…

This is the different kinds of cooking. I have recipes I have to follow very precisely. If I dont it basically breaks the thing being made. Other things I can vary it wildly on how I feel and the dish will come out pretty good. Confectionaries (such as cookies, pancakes, breads, etc) I have to stick very close or it will be a bad time. But something like a beef stew where I am basically blending it together I can vary a lot of items and still come out good. Now if I want exactly the same thing I had the previous time then I have to follow it closely. Some ingredients lend themselves to being measured precisely. Others like say a pound of hamburger can vary in what was in the original meat. Like a lean cut will want more oil/butter. Whereas a fatty cut probably will want less oil/butter.

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But it isn't just a conversion factor exactly for the reasons you state: a cup of flour will be different weight based on brand, how much it settled in the bag etc. Always have to deal with weights.

Do those factors also affect how much volume you need?

Baking is literally chemistry. You don't get consistent results if you measure a powder of quite variable density by volume instead of mass.

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"for engineers", proceeds to measure baking ingredients by volume...

As opposed to cooks, who love measurements like - a carrot - four cloves of garlic - an onion - yolk of one medium egg - salt to taste because cooking isn't a science and precise measurements are generally worse than useless. If you spend more of your time trying to perfect the measurement instead of paying attention to the texture and flavor then you are cooking very well. People insist baking is different, but it r…

> As opposed to cooks, who love measurements like

> - a carrot - four cloves of garlic - an onion - yolk of one medium egg - salt to taste

Cooking is very much more forgiving than baking.

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