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After Credentials

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Re: After Credentials

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It's an interesting essay, but just to be argumentative, I think it takes the wrong path to the conclusion. I posit that South Korea has only one highly regarded university or some other suitably small number. Maybe it's the University of Seoul. If you get into U of S, you are a superior being, you get the choice government jobs, you get to be the department head, you get the industrial fast track. If you don't get in, you are dross, just second class. In Japan it's the University of Tokyo. Neither university is particularly good or even much better than some of the others but they have the reputations to make the careers of their students. Contrast that with the USA. Of the top 50 universities in the world, we probably have 40. If you get into Harvard, MIT, Stanford, or Cal Tech, it certainly helps you career. If you don't, you aren't automatically second class, because there are so many other good schools.

Then there is our culture a meme of the irrepressible underdog, the New England inventor, the riverboat gambler, the mountain prospector, the Silicon Valley programmer. Business failure is not career or reputation ending, it's character building. It probably enhances you chances the second time around. In contrast I remember reading that in Germany if you failed you were done; no one would give you another chance. Banks controlled everything and were so risk adverse you probably couldn't get the money in the first place. My brother in law's business in Brazil went bankrupt. He didn't get a fresh start. He just stayed out of jail until he could pay it back. He was a chemical engineer, but he had to work in a grocery store. It is amazing how low the barriers to entry are here. Anyone interested in how Silicon Valley became Silicon Valley should read Regional Advantage: Culture and Competition in Silicon Valley and Route 128 by AnnaLee Saxenian.

In most of the world it is difficult to start a business. According to the Economist it takes $20,000 in fees and deposits to start a business. In many countries it takes one or two years plus bribes to get permission to start. In San Luis Obispo County it took me $120 and an hour at the county offices. And YC may even give you the money.

I think I agree with Paul's conclusion if not with his antecedents. I think we are moving away from a credentials based culture to a reputation based one, not because parental manipulation can falsify credentials, but because an individual on the web can build a reputation through a web of contacts, through writing, through performance, through reputons (small quanta of reputation). I went to Harvard. That's a reputon. I got my degree in economics. That's probably an anti-reputon. At least in the software industry, you can build a reputation thats worth more than a bunch of certificates.

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How would you run a cram school for YC? Say you were given 19 yr olds at the end of Year 1 of Uni. You have 2-3 years part time. How would you get them in? Activities? Interview coaching? Resume building? Portfolio building? Specialised learning?

If the leading criterion for admission was concrete evidence that the applicants collectively have the ability and motivation build things people want as measured in users and sales... ...then a cram school for YC would be a program much like YC in which younger teams built smaller, more easily guided technology start-ups.

If the leading criterion for admission was concrete evidence that the applicants collectively

Big if. I'm sure that any self respecting University will tell you that the best prep for their University is anything that makes the candidates smarter, more driven & more likely to succeed. Everyone uses indicators. Some are better then others. Maybe some can never be gamed (I doubt it) but as actually mentioned in this essay, the way around credentials is making entry less important.

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For those who care, there is a whole branch of labor economics surrounding this topic: http://is.gd/c0a2 (The wikipedia link had a set of paren that killed the URL)

Protip: URL-encoding parens for Wikipedia links solves the problem on every website including Hacker News.

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I can't help but read this passage " They also tell you when you're succeeding in fixing them: when cram schools become less popular." and think of campaign finance reform.

The way to solve corruption in government isn't to outlaw large contributions to campaigns (cram schools), but to make large contributions less valuable. The most expidient way to do that is to decrease the power of elected politicians.

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Some of what you say is true, but it's not true that the principal value of YC is the brand name. The YC brand has little weight to the customers of a startup, and without those it quickly dies. YC's principal value is the advice we (and the other YC startups) offer. The part you're right about is that "admission" to YC is structurally a lot like college or grad school admissions. The difference, though, is that our…

"College admissions officers do not, as far as I know, follow up on the careers of the people they accept and see how they did." I checked for an article from the Harvard Crimson about the degree to which the admission office follows up on admitted students after they enroll, although I didn't find the link just now. You've received other replies mentioning various ways, with various degrees of formality, that admiss…

i took undergrad research class and some grad level courses before applying

despite my Cs in english, pol sci, and other humanities courses, i got in ... to make it more dramatic, i also got graduate research assistantship :D

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> until I open my mouth and show them On a complete tangent, this is one of the perks of living in a foreign country if you speak the language well - instant recognition that you have mastered their language, and that you must therefore not be a complete moron. The downside of this in Europe, for me, has been moving about 4 hours away (absolutely nothing in the US, in terms of distance) and completely losing this adv…

Seems like there are more efficient ways of proving your intelligence than moving to country with a language that you don't speak natively. But if you do it for other reasons, I guess its worth using to your advantage.

I moved to Italy for other reasons, I noticed this only after having been there a while and becoming fluent in the language.

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Actually I don't think inherited money is that dangerous. Unless it's coming from more than a generation back, you don't even get it till you're old yourself. And when people inherit money young, if anything it seems to screw them up rather than giving them an advantage.

if anything it seems to screw them up That's why it's dangerous :) Buffet has it right: leave them enough so that they can do anything, but not enough so that they can do nothing.

It's dangerous, but not to society as a whole.

I.e. Paris Hilton has the money that she uses for hedonistic purposes, but she won't be put into a position of power.

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I assume that would also translate into far less users a year from now That's the mistake. The number of users you get long term depends more on the "interest rate" than the size of the initial seed. E.g. Google.

I'm sympathetic to this argument, but the "long term" could easily be quite long on the timescale of a startup's solvency. FogBugz, for example, might well not have survived without the initial user base provided by the readers of Joel on Software. Having that promotion channel could easily have meant a factor of ten in the initial customer base compared to a "normal" startup. And that factor of ten represents more t…

i'm having difficulty imagining a bug tracking? software having viral growth ... so i guess the 'interest rate' is steadily low; therefore, initial capital is important
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