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Please don't let gaming consume your life

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Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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post #55

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When people die from rock climbing, it's because they were careless or because they were pushing the envelope in some way. Rock climbing gyms are very safe - you're unlikely to die there. Anyway, 6 hours a week at the climbing wall is hardly an addiction. That's more like a hobby.

Just out of curiosity, what about 6 hours playing video games? 10 hours? 20? (20 can easily be 2 a night during the week (chill out after work) and then 5 at night on weekends -- time that could just as easily be spent doing other sedentary things on weekends)

Video games are a leisure activity. They might not be quite as mentally engaging as commenting on HN or programming, but they provide the same functionality.

Making a distinction between time spent playing video games and time spent doing other leisure activities is fairly pointless. Managed properly, there's no real physical difference between playing a video game for 20 hours a week and reading a novel, watching TV, commenting on HN, programming or any other fairly motionless activity. I know that I (as a relatively fit 21 year old) spend quite a lot of time sat in front of a computer. Physically the activity is fairly irrelevant.

Perhaps the only thing that video games have that the other activities I mentioned don't is that they have a fairly high potential to be addictive. I'd imagine most people who've played video games at any point know what it's like to play for 10 hours straight for an entire weekend. You don't have to do that, but people do.

Regardless, a sedentary lifestyle with no regular exercise will lead to health problems which increase the likelihood of death. That's something we've known for decades. Don't count "time spent playing video games", count "time spent sitting down".

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

#152
post #71

I've had conversations on similar aspects to this many times. There are many psychological issues involved but the highlights are: 1. People eat for many reasons, sustenance being only one. People eat for enjoyment, because they're happy, because they're sad, to deal with stress, as a substitute for something else arguably more destructive and so on. The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as noth…

"The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as nothing more than fuel, the better off you'll be" Not true. This is a mechanistic approach to life, we are not machine copies. Machines are copies from us, witch is different. A machine can not repair itself or reproduce or protect itself against the aggressions of the environment. What you eat is not just fuel, but way way more complex. You eat proteins…

I couldn't agree more, except I've had a pizza in Napoli, the home of pizza, and a 'hot dog' in Germany, the home of the Frankfurter, in the last week, and it was really enjoyable! I miss Ireland for a decent burger though - the beef is much better.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

#153
Regular exercise really is the solution. I know exercise makes me more hungry to the point where everything tastes good. And if you've put in enough effort, you will not want to waste that by eating junk. Solid exercise involves a lot of physical pain and once you learn to deal with that your willpower will be off the charts and sticking to the right food will be a breeze.

I was out of shape until I did P90X last summer and now I'm a different person altogether. You would be surprised how much can be done in three months of proper hard work. But it does not have to be a full blown fitness program. People aren't always aware of the options. When thinking of weight loss, jogging is the first thing that pops to mind. I have always found it extremely challenging mentally and I was never even overweight. Commit yourself to a few basketball games a week, or a cycle, a climb, a hike, skiing, whatever you enjoy. If you push that little bit harder every time and get some sweat going, get your heart racing, you will be surprised what it will do to your body.

Also a tip for motivation is to focus on performance. If you can run faster and farther, jump higher or feel better, just keep progressing and the weight will come down naturally.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

#154
How sedentary does one have to be to be at risk of a heart attack at age 32? This story seemed a bit odd to me, like it could have been entirely contrived. I certainly hope it wasn't.

Exercise (really just walking and getting up on a daily basis) is vitally important, and for those of us OCD enough to program or game 12 to 18 hours straight, it is important to remember such facts.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

#155
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How does this compare with what can be considered a 'gym' addiction. Is it ok when it is exercise? What is too much? What about work, startups? I rock climb at least 6 hours a week, it's not bizarre to hear someone dying from rock climbing though.

Someone recently tried to convince me, a frequent climber, that the health effects of getting exercise from climbing were outweighed by the risks involved. I did a bunch of research on the subject, and it is very clear that the benefits of exercise massively outweigh the risks of even a dangerous activity like climbing. It's hard to find statistics for indoor climbing, but for outdoor climbing there is a death for ev…

The quality of life improvement from the added flexibility and strength must be taken into account also. To be a bit vulgar, would you rather engage in overnight activities with rock climber or with a couch surfer? Which one is able to run for the bus? Play with their kids?

(a related issue that really annoys me is when they compare the dangers of ectasy and heroin using the death rate, when the quality of life destruction caused by ectasy is 1% compared to the horror that happens to a junkie)

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

#156
post #71

I've had conversations on similar aspects to this many times. There are many psychological issues involved but the highlights are: 1. People eat for many reasons, sustenance being only one. People eat for enjoyment, because they're happy, because they're sad, to deal with stress, as a substitute for something else arguably more destructive and so on. The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as noth…

"The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as nothing more than fuel, the better off you'll be" Not true. This is a mechanistic approach to life, we are not machine copies. Machines are copies from us, witch is different. A machine can not repair itself or reproduce or protect itself against the aggressions of the environment. What you eat is not just fuel, but way way more complex. You eat proteins…

A typical two-stroke engine uses fuel that has lubricant mixed in. Tetraethyllead used to be added to petrol to allow higher compression ratios, increasing fuel efficiency.

The fuel metaphor is perfectly valid.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

#157
> We are placing the blame on ourselves at work wondering if we made him come in on Friday would he still be with us today?

I'm sorry for your loss. It is not your fault. Please don't beat yourself up over it.

I know how this feels, I've experienced survivors guilt over my direct family before.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

#158

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Eating for enjoyment is one of the best pleasures in life. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I really think this is a sad statement and I truly hope one day you will understand why I think so.

I disagree, eating for pleasure doesn't mean overeating.

Nor does it mean gorging on McDonalds and KFC every day of the week.

It might cost a tiny little bit more to get the fresh ingredients instead of the usual stacks of shitty ready meals and frozen foods, but the variety and the balance (if you shop well) is hard to beat.

I love being able to cook good food, and as a result, the food is enjoyable, and I'm encouraged to learn more recipes so I can enjoy more.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

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People treat diets and, to a lesser extent, exercise regimes as a transitory effort to get back to some goal weight or fitness level, at which point they seek to return to the previous behaviour. This is a mistake. And it's perfectly understandable. Eating only rabbit food and spending your free time getting sore and sweaty is unappealing for many people. Tell them that they have to do that for the rest of their live…

FYI, for the last 6 months I've cut out major sources of carbs. No rice, pasta, bread or potatoes, and no obviously super-sweet stuff (sugar, sodas, etc), and very sweet fruits (apples, cherries, pineapples, grapes...) only in moderation. I still drink beer. I make occasional exceptions (been eating some chocolate every couple of days recently since someone gifted me a whole damn box). I eat lots of veg (salads, spin…

Similar to you - though been doing it just over a year now - dropped about 12 kg (down to 72kg) and feel so much better. I carried a heavy parcel (10kg) up a long escalator the other day, and was pretty worn out at the top - then I remembered that I used to carry more than that all over my body, every day, and it made me so glad I started watching what I ate.

Being rid of the afternoon slump is a HUGE boost for me - I used to flag every day at about 3pm (after a sandwich for lunch) and would always have a chocolate bar and a coke to wake myself up - only then then crash again a couple of hours later.

Now eating too much sugar gives me a headache, and I am happy to steer clear of it. I still have the occasional bar of something, but I don't feel like it's something I need any more, and I am much much happier this way!

So if anyone is considering similar - give it a shot, I follow the 'slow carb' diet from the 4 Hour Body - but basically it's just the post above, except with no dairy and loads of beans.

Re: Please don't let gaming consume your life

#160
post #99

First things first, I'm very sorry for your loss; it's never easy to lose a friend, let alone one so young. With that said... This hit so close to home that it's scary. I'm 24, and my weight hovers between 350 and 385lbs. I've always been fat and otherwise unhealthy. While I don't eat a lot (I definitely eat more than I should, but I don't think that I eat to excess by any means), what I do eat is terrible; that's go…

>While I don't eat a lot (I definitely eat more than I should, but I don't think that I eat to excess by any means), what I do eat is terrible

I would argue that you do excessively eat. Contrary to popular ignorance, the reason people get fat is simply due to a caloric excess. The idea is that if your maintenance intake is 2500kcal/day, and you eat exactly that much, you will not gain (store) or lose (use) any fat (energy). So even if you eat three meals a day consisting solely of chow mein and orange chicken from delivery, and all meals add up to be 2500kcal, you will not fluctuate in body fat percentage. Of course, you will otherwise have terrible health due to the high consumption of saturated fats and sodium, but that's another story.

In this vein, I think everyone should tally caloric intake for a week and compare it to their daily caloric needs which can be calculated using all sorts of tools (e.g. http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/CalRequire.html).

Hopefully this discussion is not completely irrelevant, but I thought it was all worth noting. I'm certainly not trying to pick on you either, just thought this was a good outlet.

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