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Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by pid-1 »

satvikpendem wrote: post #21
Turing_Machine wrote: post #17

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Unless there's absolutely no alternative, and it's something I desperately need, I basically won't buy anything that says "call for pricing" or some such, because I interpret that as "call so one of our trained liars (i.e., salesmen) can figure out how hard we can screw you". In many cases I'd even pay a premium to avoid talking to one of those people.

You're not the target market, the CTO, CIO, or business development representatives are. So many developers say they won't ever buy "call for pricing" software, like, yeah, they know you won't, in fact that's what they bank on.

CTO in a financial institution here.

I don't talk to sales.

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by black3r »

ranit wrote: post #19
MyFirstSass wrote: post #2

- Models will be released - Free to use for non commercial projects - 20$/m subscription needed if project has less than $1m annual revenue or - Undisclosed "Enterprise" subscription needed for projects larger than above To me the $240/y sounds pretty awesome for a smaller commercial project, and i like they've set the threshold pretty high up. But still don't like "undisclosed" black box enterprise pricing though wh…

> But still don't like "undisclosed" black box enterprise pricing though when they're running their own API, because it basically means they can tax you to death if you build a service that competes with their API right - so in effect only viable to create small companies with this tech? "undisclosed" doesn't imply changing the price after it was negotiated with you. It just mean they will negotiate the contracts for…

The "undisclosed" also mean they can just straight up give you different prices than they give to your competition which can affect fair competition in your field. Imagine that you compete with them in some different field..., or an easier one - if you compete with their investors' other investments...,

or you're in a country with politicians donation/spending limits (which are common outside USA) and they give their software for $1 to "that one annoying politician" and it won't count as a discount towards their donation limit, because the "original price" is unknown.

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by chmod775 »

black3r wrote: post #42
ranit wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But still don't like "undisclosed" black box enterprise pricing though when they're running their own API, because it basically means they can tax you to death if you build a service that competes with their API right - so in effect only viable to create small companies with this tech? "undisclosed" doesn't imply changing the price after it was negotiated with you. It just mean they will negotiate the contracts for…

The "undisclosed" also mean they can just straight up give you different prices than they give to your competition which can affect fair competition in your field. Imagine that you compete with them in some different field..., or an easier one - if you compete with their investors' other investments..., or you're in a country with politicians donation/spending limits (which are common outside USA) and they give their…

> The "undisclosed" also mean they can just straight up give you different prices than they give to your competition which can affect fair competition in your field.

They could do that anyways. This changes nothing.

Negotiating custom contracts is standard practice at the high end anyways. If your company is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars each month on something at list price, chances are you either got too much money or the company is run by suckers.

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by EricMausler »

MyFirstSass wrote: post #15
Lacerda69 wrote: post #12

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What SaaS company discloses their Enterprise prices?

A tangent but i believe all pricing should public information by law above some threshold to battle corruption, nepotism, cartel making and monopolies. I've seen too many governments and even medium sized companies paying absurd amounts to some shitty locked in cloud platform with lots of better alternatives, because someone got kickbacks, gifts, vacations or a seat on some board, and everyone should be more enraged.…

I specialize in costing/pricing, not in saas however. There are a lot of reasons why what you are asking for is likely not realistic. It unfortunately does get abused, though, and I fully agree with how bullshit some of the arrangements are. It's just the people taking advantage of the situation are doing so knowing that the "cover" for it is legitimate.

Maybe there are ways to address the abuse without forcing upfront pricing?

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by dragonwriter »

GaggiX wrote: post #20
the_duke wrote: post #6

This Reddit thread from someone with early access has some sample images: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1c2je28/i_... Maybe the early access beta was limiting the available resources, or they used bad settings, bud juding by that thread it looks like the model got worse during training or the earlier examples were quite cherry-picked.

The real value of Stable Diffusion models are the finetuned models when the base model is released.

Non-open licensing may adversely impact that.

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by astrange »

ethbr1 wrote: post #36
daveguy wrote: post #31

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Do android and iOS stores have undisclosed fee structures for high revenue or high usage apps? I was under the impression that the fees were at least transparent, even if they do represent monopolistic rent seeking.

There were several instances that came out in recent court cases of the app stores negotiating custom deals with strategically-important apps. E.g. Spotify: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23969690/google-spotify-... So typical "above this negotiating power, let's talk terms", and everybody smaller has to pay list price.

The Android app stores. The iOS app store doesn't have any known deals.

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by BaculumMeumEst »

MyFirstSass wrote: post #2

- Models will be released - Free to use for non commercial projects - 20$/m subscription needed if project has less than $1m annual revenue or - Undisclosed "Enterprise" subscription needed for projects larger than above To me the $240/y sounds pretty awesome for a smaller commercial project, and i like they've set the threshold pretty high up. But still don't like "undisclosed" black box enterprise pricing though wh…

I'm still goofing around with stable diffusion 1.5 based models. It has such a vibrant open source scene and it's free for commercial usage forever so.. I'm not really interested in V3. I guess corporations might be or whatever?

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by dheera »

MyFirstSass wrote: post #2

- Models will be released - Free to use for non commercial projects - 20$/m subscription needed if project has less than $1m annual revenue or - Undisclosed "Enterprise" subscription needed for projects larger than above To me the $240/y sounds pretty awesome for a smaller commercial project, and i like they've set the threshold pretty high up. But still don't like "undisclosed" black box enterprise pricing though wh…

Seems ripe for a "project sharding" platform that splits your project into multiple identical backend projects that each have Would save you from the unnecessary calls and coffee chats, you just pay N * subscription fee and get on with your life.

You could probably also use part of the revenue to buy treasury bonds and automagically pay the subscription fees, and it would be a closed intervention-free system.

Re: Stable Diffusion 3 API Now Available

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Post by frumper »

astrange wrote: post #47
ethbr1 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were several instances that came out in recent court cases of the app stores negotiating custom deals with strategically-important apps. E.g. Spotify: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23969690/google-spotify-... So typical "above this negotiating power, let's talk terms", and everybody smaller has to pay list price.

The Android app stores. The iOS app store doesn't have any known deals.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/30/21348108/apple-amazon-pri...
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