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Land of the free. Indeed it is.
next time lets protest at your house / business :)
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Well there are limits. You can’t for example protest in my living room or by breaking into the Capitol building. Trespassing can be a form of protest but it’s still illegal.
If they had broken into the offices after violently clashing with police, or if they were ransacking the place, I would be 100% in favor of arresting them - just like the Jan 6 protesters who attacked the Capitol. Instead, as far as I've seen even from the Daily Wire, these people just walked into the offices of their company's boss (at worst breaking a lock?) and were sitting there without disturbing his papers or b…
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If people are arguing that a Jewish peace advocacy group is antisemitic, I think they've lost all conception of what that word means. They're using the word "antisemite" to mean anti-zionist or anti-Israel, or anti-occupation. "Anti-semitism" is a hatred of Jewish people or discriminatory attitudes towards them. There is a large contingency of Jewish people who believe Jews are better than other people (this idea is…
There are lots of white anti-white racists, there are Black anti-Black racists, and there are indeed Jewish antisemites. You're adopting a position of shock and disbelief that (some) Jewish people find JVP problematic. I'm telling you: that's not helping the credibility of your argument, because this is an old, well-covered controversy, and the points that JVP's critics raise aren't superficial. You don't have to agr…
The prime difference between trad-wives and groups like JVP, I think, is that trad-wives advocate for trad-wifery because traditional gender roles appeal to their values or interests, rather than out of a sense of social justice and equity (which are likely not important to them).
However, I'm not at all shocked that there are Jewish people who find JVP problematic, and I'm not sure where you got that idea.
I'd guess something like 50% of practicing Jews in the diaspora hold beliefs that Jews are intrinsically better than non-jews, and perhaps a sizeable minority of non-practicing Jews as well. This is based on my own experiences growing up in a Jewish community as well as the arguments used by Zionist Jews in support of Israel. The Jewish school I went to literally taught that Jews had a more legitimate claim to peace and safety in Israel than the Palestinians, by virtue of being the chosen people.
Reducing all criticism of the ethno-state that results from such beliefs to anti-semitism is an underhanded tactic that twists the meaning of the word in order to manipulate public opinion.
I don't know too much about JVP as they don't have presence in my country, but I just did some reading (including their core values[1] which are far from anti-semitic) and found a lot of the same tired arguments: their "admin" lives in lebanon (not said: one of 18 admins on their facebook page), it's a front for non-Jewish antisemites to rally under the banner of Jewishness (not said: their board and leadership are all Jewish), they said "XYZ" which can be interpreted as antisemitic (not said: either an anti-semitic person or even a plant said something while claiming to represent the group, or what was said was a criticism of mainstream Jewish Zionism taken out of context)
Add to that a lot of the same criticisms typically levied at leftist groups, some of which may actually be good-faith, fair criticisms, but unrelated to anti-semitism.
I certainly agree there can be Jewish anti-semites, but they're much more likely to gravitate to the right than the left.
[1]: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/about/#mandate
edit: I'll say this one additional thing: I've personally observed a high correlation between Jews who call anti-Zionist advocates anti-semitic, and Jews who secretly or not-so-secretly have a belief that Jewish people are inherently better than non-Jews (and for many this goes down to ethnicity, I'm not talking just about spiritual practice). To me, it seems like they're generally oblivious to how similar beliefs (by any group that holds them) are a type of problematic prejudice, and critical of leftist Jews because they represent a threat to those deeply-held beliefs of supremacy.
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My point was that Rosa Parks' offense, whatever the racist police's explanation for it, was indeed interfering with apartheid. There is no "contrary to the claim" there. Rosa Parks was indeed arrested according to some legal framework around preserving an apartheid, just like here. Maybe they took some time to "settle upon legal language". Maybe the police here will, too. Either way, both cases are around protestors…
Laws against trespass to property exist in every nation that has private property rights. (They protect you, too.) There’s no “conjuring up” of trumped-up charges going on here.
In those cases, it is better to violate the law than to preserve apartheid.
Just like Rosa Parks.
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It isn't nice to block the doorway It isn't nice to go to jail There are nicer ways to do it But the nice ways always fail - Malvina Reynolds, "It Isn't Nice" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lWkV2QpgQo
It doesn’t matter. The law is what it is. Breaking the law to get your way isn’t the right way to get things done. Otherwise we’d all be justified in doing it whenever we don’t like something and there would be no point in laws anymore. In a democracy, you can participate in our system and vote to have it changed, though. And that’s the effective way to address these issues.
Sitting in an office is much nicer.
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There are lots of white anti-white racists, there are Black anti-Black racists, and there are indeed Jewish antisemites. You're adopting a position of shock and disbelief that (some) Jewish people find JVP problematic. I'm telling you: that's not helping the credibility of your argument, because this is an old, well-covered controversy, and the points that JVP's critics raise aren't superficial. You don't have to agr…
I'm curious about these white anti-white "racists" or black anti-black racists. I realize that people internalize racism in different ways so I definitely don't discount the idea that black people may conduct themselves in ways that demonstrate prejudice against black people, but I've heard never heard accusations that PoC solidarity groups represented by black people (which would be the closest example I can think o…
Whoah, wtf? I don't care what your background is: no, not OK.
I had a relatively straightforward non-normative point to make about how controversial JVP is, which you can easily Google to verify. I wasn't even here to tell you you were wrong: you asked a question, it had a straightforward answer, I provided it. My answer was not out of left field: the ADL literally has a page on JVP, up in the first page of search results on Google.
I'm not interested in litigating the intellectual vices of "practicing Jews" writ large.
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Hamas did not kill 1200 civilians on October 7. There were ~1200 victims total in the attack. There were 274 soldiers, and 95 police or other security officers, and 764 civilians [0]. At least a few of the civilians were not killed by Hamas directly, but by IDF firing on Hamas terrorists holding them hostage [1]. Of course, each and every one of these victims is a tragedy. There are also an additional few hundred peo…
I can see both sides: Yes, Google offices are private property. Yes, Google is an American company - if Google's employees don't agree with an American company serving America and its allies - Israel has been an ally for a long time - then, they should leave for more agreeable pastures. They can even remove Google from their resume once they've found a better resume brand. However, If I were an employee at Google, an…
I have no idea what happened but I always love it when people get cross over improper behaviour such as grey hat work or “sitting protests” at the worlds largest corp … on a website called hackernews
You might have a misunderstanding of the term "hacker".
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As can be seen here, they did punish these protesters. And the House has just passed a resolution saying that the slogan "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is antisemitic. Many states, such as Texas, require written commitments from all state employees that they will not engage in the BDS movement or other forms of protest against Israel. How are these not a punishment for deviance from the desired p…
Well, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free is indeed antisemitic... because Israel separates West Bank (the river) from Gaza (the sea). Wanting Palestine to be free from West Bank to Gaza means that Israeli state be broken up - which is antisemitic.... Denying someone employment because of their political views is not punishment...