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Mixtral 8x22B

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Re: Mixtral 8x22B

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post #14

"64K tokens context window" I do wish they had managed to extend it to at least 128K to match the capabilities of GPT-4 Turbo Maybe this limit will become a joke when looking back? Can you imagine reaching a trillion tokens context window in the future, as Sam speculated on Lex's podcast?

maybe we'll look back at token context windows like we look back at how much ram we have in a system.

I agree with this in the sense that once you have enough, you stop caring about the metric.

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#32

Pricing? Found it: https://mistral.ai/technology/#pricing It'd useful to add a link to the blog post. While it's an open model, most will only be able to use it via the API.

It's open source, you can just download and run it for free on your own hardware.

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#33

I'm considering switching my function calling requests from OpenAI's API to Mistral. Are they using similar formats? What's the easiest way to use Mistral? Is it by using Huggingface?

easiest is probably with ollama [0]. I think the ollama API is OpenAI compatible.

[0]https://ollama.com/

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#35

Pricing? Found it: https://mistral.ai/technology/#pricing It'd useful to add a link to the blog post. While it's an open model, most will only be able to use it via the API.

It's open source, you can just download and run it for free on your own hardware.

Well, I don't have hardware to run a 141B parameters model, even if only 39B are active during inference.

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#36
post #27

Does anyone have a good layman's explanation of the "Mixture-of-Experts" concept? I think I understand the idea of having "sub-experts", but how do you decide what each specialization is during training? Or is that not how it works at all?

maybe there's one that is maitre d'llm?

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#37
post #27

Does anyone have a good layman's explanation of the "Mixture-of-Experts" concept? I think I understand the idea of having "sub-experts", but how do you decide what each specialization is during training? Or is that not how it works at all?

Nobody decides. The network itself determines which expert(s) to activate based on the context. It uses a small neural network for the task.

It typically won't behave like human experts - you might find one of the networks is an expert in determining where to place capital letters or full stops for example.

MoE's do not really improve accuracy - instead they are to reduce the amount of compute required. And, assuming you have a fixed compute budget, that in turn might mean you can make the model bigger to get better accuracy.

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#38
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maybe we'll look back at token context windows like we look back at how much ram we have in a system.

I agree with this in the sense that once you have enough, you stop caring about the metric.

And how much RAM do you need to run Mixtral 8*22B? Probably not enough on a personal laptop.

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#39
post #8

I just find it hilarious how approximately 100% of models beat all other models on benchmarks.

Benchmarks published by the company itself should be treated no differently than advertising. For actual signal check out more independent leaderboards and benchmarks (like HuggingFace, Chatbot Arena, MMLU, AlpacaEval). Of course, even then it is impossible to come up with an objective ranking since there is no consensus on what to even measure.

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

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post #9
post #3

Great to see such free to use and self-hostable models, but it's said that open now means only that. One cannot replicate this model without access to the training data.

There's a large amount of liability in disclosing your training data.

Calling the model 'truly open' without is not technically correct though.
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