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Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by jedimind »

underdeserver wrote: post #120
rdtsc wrote: post #87

> Anti-Semitism appears to be rampant throughout Google’s workforce. If someone would have told me 5 years ago that in just a few years, Google employees would be accused of anti-semitism, or any -ism, really, I would have never believed it. They were on the frontlines "punching nazis" and fighting rising fascism here in US, and here they are, being accused of anti-semitism, themselves.

Not sure how else you would label spraying "Kill all the Jews" in a toilet stall.

yea because you bothered to verify who actually did that, if that's all it takes then anybody can just spray such things against their own tribe and create artificial hysteria.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by drewbug01 »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #49

Yet these clowns happily pay their taxes that end up supporting isreal. What a joke or performative empathy. Good news is there should be some reqs opening up soon in Google Cloud for people looking for work.

“We should improve society somewhat.”

“Yet you participate in society. Curious!”

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by kelthuzad »

tsimionescu wrote: post #100
mrtesthah wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can see other free-speech-related court cases fought by Palestine Legal. I personally don’t think the “from the river…” slogan should be outlawed , being speech, but it does indeed eliminate the country of Israel by referring to its land as “Palestine”.

The USA supports the creation of two countries in that area: Israel, with its current borders minus the colonies it has illegally established in the West Bank, and Palestine, which would include the Gaza strip and the West Bank (in its full 1947 territory, minus the illegal Israeli colonies). The country of Palestine would then stretch from the river (in the West Bank) to the sea (in Gaza). Of course, it is also some…

Israel has not won its "right to exist", if anything, its entire history of ethnic-cleansing, murder, apartheid and now genocide has lost them the "right to exist", not that the apartheid colony ever had such a "right" anyway. Israel will only exist as long as it's possible for the USA to protect them, the moment that support crumbles Israel is no more.

Looking at the trends, it's looking extremely bleak for Israel, considering that US support is largely artificial and not organic.

The support arises first and foremost from the work of the israeli lobby AIPAC which takes advantage of America's legalized bribery [1] that results in undue influence on congress.

Another big factor are evangelicals, who are misguided by corrupt pastors and televangelists like John Hagee who are in a business relationship with the israeli lobby and thus have a vested interest in forcing a zionist misinterpretation[4] of the bible to artificially create support for israel. A key factor in the changing landscape of evangelical Christianity is generational differences. Younger evangelicals are often less aligned with traditional evangelical positions and are harder to misguide with misinterpretations that have no sound basis.

[1] So You Want to Bribe a Politician - https://youtu.be/QZcLuT3RasA

[2] Why evangelicals influence US foreign policy in the Middle East - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhT7oyDlBIk

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

[4] Eschatological Madness about Israel, James White - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gmd90XJyhA

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by VS1999 »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #167
VS1999 wrote: post #153

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It's very easy to suggest that to someone else when you don't have to take the risk or do the work.

"do the work." I have founded three startups and currently work as a self employed consultant and coach.

I'd rather just wageslave than sell snake oil to these same companies.

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Post by CSMastermind »

jart wrote: post #72
feverzsj wrote: post #8

They should've protested outside, not disturbing others.

That's like saying Occupy Wall Street should have protested in the Bronx, so they wouldn't disturb Wall Street.

For the record, Occupy Wall Street didn't disturb Wall Street. It was a small protest at a park a few blocks away. If you actually live in Manhattan it's hilarious how big of deal the media made what was ultimately an incredibly small and insignificant event.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by hollerith »

CSMastermind wrote: post #175
jart wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's like saying Occupy Wall Street should have protested in the Bronx, so they wouldn't disturb Wall Street.

For the record, Occupy Wall Street didn't disturb Wall Street. It was a small protest at a park a few blocks away. If you actually live in Manhattan it's hilarious how big of deal the media made what was ultimately an incredibly small and insignificant event.

There are always Americans with a deep-seated belief that US society needs radical change; many of those are journalists. From about 1975 to about 2015 however US society was stable and radical change was very unlikely, so the radical journalists focused vast amounts of their attention on Occupy Wall Street because for a few years it was the movement most likely to cause radical change (that the journalists knew about) even though the actual likelihood was very low.

Again, some journalists (and others) are constantly hoping for radical change; during periods of societal stability, that constant hope will result in their focusing on very slim hopes for radical change -- resulting in ridiculous exaggeration in the press of the importance of movements like Occupy Wall Street.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by king-geedorah »

otterley wrote: post #113
saulpw wrote: post #106

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Breaking the law isn't a moral question, it's a legal one. You break the law, you go to jail, okay. But what is this "it isn't right" business? Some innocent bystanders are inconvenienced, so what? These people are protesting their employer's complicity in mass murder! And a corporation isn't a democracy, so they can't "vote to have it changed". Should they be bringing their concerns to HR, is that the right way to g…

First of all, these are (probably now former) Google employees. I don’t work for Google, but I do know that most big companies have established channels for addressing employee grievances. Second, Google isn’t a democracy, but we have a democratic system that allows us to influence our representatives to make reprehensible conduct illegal. If you want to change how a business operates, you can arrange a boycott as we…

"I don’t work for Google, but I do know that most big companies have established channels for addressing employee grievances"

If you read any of the articles coming out of this event you'll see that the protestors tried for months to get a dialog going with management in half a dozen different capacities, all of which were denied or swept under the rug immediately. Due to this behavior from management, many of the employees engaged in this cause had decided to quit, but if you were one of them why not try to protest one last time? This was basically the last option they had prior to leaving

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by nerdjon »

rdtsc wrote: post #87

> Anti-Semitism appears to be rampant throughout Google’s workforce. If someone would have told me 5 years ago that in just a few years, Google employees would be accused of anti-semitism, or any -ism, really, I would have never believed it. They were on the frontlines "punching nazis" and fighting rising fascism here in US, and here they are, being accused of anti-semitism, themselves.

It concerns me that this is being labeled as anti-semitism.

> At an Amazon shareholder meeting in May, anti-Nimbus Amazon employees said they will support a resolution requesting a third-party investigative report on whether “customers’ use of its products and services with surveillance, computer vision, or cloud storage capabilities contributes to human rights violations or violates international humanitarian law.”

That seems like a fairly basic request?

It seems like in a lot of areas, in the last 6 months we can't even have a conversation about what is going on without anything except 100% support for Israel being labeled as "anti-semitism" which is really dangerous to do.

We don't even expect that level of blanket support for the actions of our own government. We should be able to critically look at what is going on regardless of who is doing it without trying to hand wave it away with a single word.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by rdtsc »

underdeserver wrote: post #146
rdtsc wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh sure, I agree. I am not saying those are not, just that it's so shocking to find it's Googlers.

Ever since that video 8 years ago of a college kid yelling at a professor at Yale [1], it seemed to me that a non-negligible part of American youth, much of it in highly regarded universities (such as Yale, Harvard, Berkeley and Stanford) does not understand, nor want to understand, nuance and proportionality. You don't protest violence by being violent yourself. Rank-and-file Googlers in the US tend to be young ( [1…

What's even more disturbing is that there are groups and interests which are actively controlling these students opinions. One would think these would be the best and brightest at those universities, and consequently the best and brightest at Google. Surely, they should be hardest ones to use as ideological drones.

One case I remember, for instance, which illustrates this drone control well was the bakery incident at Oberlin college. At some point during the discovery, there was an email from an "organizer" how they will unleash the students. I thought that a rare case of controller putting in writting and acknowledging how the whole mechanism works.

[1] https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/448711-oberlin-college...

> Raimondo replied saying she would “unleash the students” if she was not convinced “this needs to be put behind us.”

It would be interesting to find out who is unleashing the Googlers in this case...

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by rdtsc »

jedimind wrote: post #171
underdeserver wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how else you would label spraying "Kill all the Jews" in a toilet stall.

yea because you bothered to verify who actually did that, if that's all it takes then anybody can just spray such things against their own tribe and create artificial hysteria.

That is a fair point. This should be investigated. I have heard of incidents like that at the nearby college. The police got called and eventually it turned out a member of the target group wrote the message.
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