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Scammers are targeting teenage boys on social media and driving some to suicide

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Re: Scammers are targeting teenage boys on social media and driving some to suicide

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Post by vasco »

brnt wrote: post #87
jajko wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You write church, but it should be parents. Remember those days when parents were held responsible for their kids, how they behave, and whom they become in adult life? They (us) don't have full control in later teens, but everything leading up to it, mostly yes. But for every parent I see raising kids the hard way (tons of time spent together consistently every day, being a positive role model, motivating and support…

> Remember those days when parents were held responsible for their kids, That idea is pure revisionism coming from individualist ideology. In 'those' days, everybody raised everyone. 'It takes a village' and all that. Check any actual scientific research on the matter.

Without time or geo bounds both of you are wrong.

Re: Scammers are targeting teenage boys on social media and driving some to suicide

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

Animats wrote: post #41
dockerd wrote: post #20

Meta didn't accept emergency request from police and needed county magistrate order to help assist in investigation. "Meta has a portal for police to file requests to preserve records of accounts connected to criminal investigations. Like other social media companies, it has to hold the records—including emails, IP addresses, message transcripts and general usage history—for 90 days. It only hands over user data if i…

Meta was correct. "Exigent circumstances" to the 4th amendment warrant requirement did not apply, because there was no known potential victim at risk. So the cops needed to have a judge sign a warrant. Didn't take long.

Legally correct maybe, but morally?

Re: Scammers are targeting teenage boys on social media and driving some to suicide

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Post by DoreenMichele »

atq2119 wrote: post #107
jpsouth wrote: post #100

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Then report it to the police, don’t forward a naked image of someone’s child to them? Not only is it likely distribution of CP, it’s also an insane thing to do. As Doreen said, she doesn’t want to see her lads nudes. I’m pretty sure my mother doesn’t want to see my knob either, who in their right mind would forward that to anywhere but law enforcement? Not to mention your absolute stretch of a scenario. Do kids typic…

I don't think it's insane for a teacher to forward evidence of problematic stuff happening with a kid to the kid's parents. After all, many parents think their kids are angels who can do no wrong. Granted, in this case I agree that it's better judgment not to forward the picture for all the reasons you've mentioned - but calling it insane is a bit much.

I was molested as a child, so out of vested personal interest I've read a lot of research over the years.

If you're a teacher, it would be wise to assume the parents may be in some way part of the problem.

If you're a teacher coming up with excuses to share nudes of your students with other people, you are at risk of being investigated very seriously as a potential child molester or distributor of child porn.

This is a minefield for a teacher and I don't think it's really a stretch to say it's "insane" or "extremely stupid" or other similarly strong language.

It has bad idea written all over it in blinking neon letters.

Re: Scammers are targeting teenage boys on social media and driving some to suicide

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Post by vasco »

SoftTalker wrote: post #26

In this day and age, if you fall for something like that, just refuse to pay and say you'll tell people it's an AI fake. I think the days of this sort of scam being very effective are over, or will be soon.

The rule should be, do not reply to strangers that message you privately on any platform. If you're messaging a scammer back and forward you already lost.

Even if they had your actual real nudes, you not replying might even make a real scammer go "shit they don't check their messages", and move to the next target.

Re: Scammers are targeting teenage boys on social media and driving some to suicide

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Post by jpsouth »

atq2119 wrote: post #107
jpsouth wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then report it to the police, don’t forward a naked image of someone’s child to them? Not only is it likely distribution of CP, it’s also an insane thing to do. As Doreen said, she doesn’t want to see her lads nudes. I’m pretty sure my mother doesn’t want to see my knob either, who in their right mind would forward that to anywhere but law enforcement? Not to mention your absolute stretch of a scenario. Do kids typic…

I don't think it's insane for a teacher to forward evidence of problematic stuff happening with a kid to the kid's parents. After all, many parents think their kids are angels who can do no wrong. Granted, in this case I agree that it's better judgment not to forward the picture for all the reasons you've mentioned - but calling it insane is a bit much.

I’ll stand by my comment on that point.

Sending a nude photo of a child to the child’s parents is absolutely beyond any form of rationality. Discuss the concern with the parents, inform the police, get them to verify that their little angel did in fact take nudes and send them around.

It’s literally forwarding CP. Let the authorities deal with this, if the parent wants to see their kids nudes then… well, I don’t really know what to say other than let the authorities deal with it. They can show them for verification purposes or something, without sending this image to any more devices than it needs to exist on.

Re: Scammers are targeting teenage boys on social media and driving some to suicide

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

junon wrote: post #67
MarkSweep wrote: post #63

I’m not a teenage boy, but I got targeted by one these. While it was misdirected (they were trying to blackmail me with someone else’s photos), the whole thing was quite disturbing. Also iMessage really does not seem to be well designed to handle abuse. Your only option is to block, which is a couple of taps away from a conversation. The block does not instantly take effect cross device, so you still get messages on…

A friend of mine was also targeted though they didn't have a real photo of him. They claimed to have hacked his webcam and had some blurry thing printed out, but he doesn't have a webcam. He called in a panic and I told him to ignore it. Nothing ever came of it (because in this case, how could it - and we're both adults, I convinced him even if it were true why would it matter - again, highly case specific but he agr…

A common scam is this combined with ‘proof’ in the form of passwords, the passwords often come from hacked databases such as LinkedIn from 2012, or others reported on have I been pwned (pun not intended)

Re: Scammers are targeting teenage boys on social media and driving some to suicide

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Post by jpsouth »

OJFord wrote: post #109
atq2119 wrote: post #107

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I don't think it's insane for a teacher to forward evidence of problematic stuff happening with a kid to the kid's parents. After all, many parents think their kids are angels who can do no wrong. Granted, in this case I agree that it's better judgment not to forward the picture for all the reasons you've mentioned - but calling it insane is a bit much.

If I was a teacher and inadvertently ended up with it somehow, I think I would be worried about the accusation so absolutely wouldn't go to the parents before taking some kind of advice or at least telling my superiors/union/law enforcement just to protect myself.

I don’t understand how the other commenters don’t see this! Immediately go to law enforcement and let them deal with it, forwarding to ANYONE is the wrong thing to do, legally and morally, imo.

Re: Scammers are targeting teenage boys on social media and driving some to suicide

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Post by [deleted] »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #112
Animats wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta was correct. "Exigent circumstances" to the 4th amendment warrant requirement did not apply, because there was no known potential victim at risk. So the cops needed to have a judge sign a warrant. Didn't take long.

Legally correct maybe, but morally?

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Re: Scammers are targeting teenage boys on social media and driving some to suicide

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

orwin wrote: post #59
colechristensen wrote: post #16

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Then blackhole the VPNs when they're involved in crime and make them share legal financial responsibility for the crimes they enable. Eventually you keep walking down this line until you write laws that local ISPs are required to globally blackhole countries which otherwise evade law enforcement.

I can make a VPN for like 3 euro on AWS (thinking about it, I can probably do it with their free tier offer). I could probably do the same for a bit more work and study on most PaaS.

Block aws ranges then, Facebook is for residential users.

Residential VPNs exist, but they cost money and increase the barrier for entry, while also being a choke point for abuse.

Re: Scammers are targeting teenage boys on social media and driving some to suicide

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Post by touisteur »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #103
orthoxerox wrote: post #101

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> C. We somehow need to come up with reasonable accommodation for the reality that teens have phones and budding sexualities and these two things are colliding horrifically in a legal and cultural system strongly rooted in assuming "child porn" is made solely by abusive adults and not willingly by underage teens who don't think it's a big deal at the time the photo is snapped. It's not just the CSAM aspect, it's the…

I was thinking more about our legal system and general culture needing to keep up with the times. I homeschooled my kids, so school-based sex education doesn't really make my radar.

I think the people calling sex education "grooming" are the same preventing the legal system to evolve in the way you described. You're very lucky that you could home-school your kids and teach them all this.

It's all very alien to me how teaching safe practice of something that has a huge probability of happening can still be seen as encouraging it, "grooming". Education should be a bare minimum here: here's how your body works, here's your risk of becoming/making your partner pregnant (and what that entails for you), of catching a life-long disease, cancer, or a nasty painful thing, here's what medical science and the FDA says you can both use as contraceptive and their failure rate and side effects, no means fricking no, and all of this compounds if you drink or do drugs...

Not teaching this amounts to not preparing your kid for the actual world and reduces body autonomy and responsible behaviour... They will experiment, and they will do stupid things.

It's as if teaching civics was a gateway to anarchist bombing or teaching chemistry a gateway to Breaking Bad... American puritanism and the whole "teaching is grooming" is such a weird thing.

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