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Re: Tailscale SSH is now Generally Available

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Post by fransje26 »

maxcoding wrote: post #16
leastangle wrote: post #5

We use Tailscale quite heavily and the SSH feature. Along with many other features, it is great. However, the article doesn't mention pricing, which for me personally seems quite high at $18/month/user. [1] [1] https://tailscale.com/pricing

It is quite clearly stated in both this announcement and the docs [1] that it is available for the personal (aka free) plan. Not sure why their pricing plan does not include any mention of it. [1] https://tailscale.com/kb/1193/tailscale-ssh

What is their incentive to offer such a service for free?

Following the adage "if it's for free, you are the product", what is going on behind the scenes? Are they providing their services as a giant honey-pot to sniff on traffic?

Re: Tailscale SSH is now Generally Available

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Post by computerfriend »

fransje26 wrote: post #31
maxcoding wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is quite clearly stated in both this announcement and the docs [1] that it is available for the personal (aka free) plan. Not sure why their pricing plan does not include any mention of it. [1] https://tailscale.com/kb/1193/tailscale-ssh

What is their incentive to offer such a service for free? Following the adage "if it's for free, you are the product", what is going on behind the scenes? Are they providing their services as a giant honey-pot to sniff on traffic?

People who use it at home will buy the corporate plans in work.

Re: Tailscale SSH is now Generally Available

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Post by IanCal »

fransje26 wrote: post #31
maxcoding wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is quite clearly stated in both this announcement and the docs [1] that it is available for the personal (aka free) plan. Not sure why their pricing plan does not include any mention of it. [1] https://tailscale.com/kb/1193/tailscale-ssh

What is their incentive to offer such a service for free? Following the adage "if it's for free, you are the product", what is going on behind the scenes? Are they providing their services as a giant honey-pot to sniff on traffic?

Their response in the past about their free tiers has been that it's low cost to offer and it results in larger sales (devs use it themselves, like it and bring it to places they work).

Re: Tailscale SSH is now Generally Available

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Post by _ikke_ »

fransje26 wrote: post #31
maxcoding wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is quite clearly stated in both this announcement and the docs [1] that it is available for the personal (aka free) plan. Not sure why their pricing plan does not include any mention of it. [1] https://tailscale.com/kb/1193/tailscale-ssh

What is their incentive to offer such a service for free? Following the adage "if it's for free, you are the product", what is going on behind the scenes? Are they providing their services as a giant honey-pot to sniff on traffic?

They have a blogpost about it: https://tailscale.com/blog/free-plan

> TL;DR: Tailscale’s free plan is free because we keep our scaling costs low relative to typical SaaS companies. We care about privacy, so unlike some other freemium models, you and your data are not the product. Rather, increased word-of-mouth from free plans sells the more valuable corporate plans. I know, it sounds too good to be true. Let’s see some details.

Re: Tailscale SSH is now Generally Available

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Post by danmur »

earnesti wrote: post #29
danmur wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get what's wrong with charging more for SSO? They're in the business of making money, and if you need SSO and you need their service you're more likely to have money. It's nothing to do with the feature itself.

I don't think there is anything wrong about it, but I think it is a good thing to be informed about it, especially for those involved with smaller businesses.

I don't disagree, but I doubt anyone's going to use this website called the 'wall of shame' to get pricing info rather than look at the pricing page.

Re: Tailscale SSH is now Generally Available

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Post by mathiasn »

mkl wrote: post #25
orthoxerox wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSO Tax is usually about using your private SSO, not Google or GitHub. If they say "any IdP", then the data on ssotax must be out of date.

Oh, you're right. It used to say "SSO with standard IdP" and now says "SSO with any IdP". The site is out of date, despite its claimed update date.

It's a community project, you can just update it :-)

Re: Tailscale SSH is now Generally Available

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Post by Fnoord »

timrichard wrote: post #28
leastangle wrote: post #5

We use Tailscale quite heavily and the SSH feature. Along with many other features, it is great. However, the article doesn't mention pricing, which for me personally seems quite high at $18/month/user. [1] [1] https://tailscale.com/pricing

I've been impressed with ZeroTier. The free tier is pretty generous. Plus the desktop client allows you to access more than one network/account at the same time. IIRC, Tailscale requires you to switch between accounts.

ZeroTier doesn't use WireGuard under the roof.

Tailscale SSH is quite interesting because it'd require Tailscale authentication. So it would segment SSH access off, and makes SSH access also generally available to all clients utilizing Tailscale, regardless of host OS.

I checked, and it doesn't seem like Headscale supports SSH access.

Re: Tailscale SSH is now Generally Available

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Post by michaelt »

danmur wrote: post #26
ikiris wrote: post #2

Just gonna note this is still a thing https://ssotax.org/

I don't get what's wrong with charging more for SSO? They're in the business of making money, and if you need SSO and you need their service you're more likely to have money. It's nothing to do with the feature itself.

The problem is we in the software industry are so used to getting handed everything for free that a lot of software developers don't even know how to get their employer to buy something.

Every engineer in every other field of engineering knows exactly how to order things, and has access to a properly organised budget for doing so. You need electronic components? Custom-machined parts? Raw material like metal sheets? Nuts and bolts? Aluminium extrusion? Of course you pay for it - and the organisation's purchasing procedure is something you learn in your first week.

We in the software industry, on the other hand, get free operating systems, free compilers, free IDEs, free databases, free libraries, free documentation and training, free support - pretty much free everything. So you can get surprisingly far in the industry without ever learning the difference between a quote and a proforma invoice - or how to explain to the boss why we should give JetBrains $50k per year in terms she'll understand and approve of.

As such, when the people gifting us and our employers free stuff add a paid tier with features we want, but they charge money for it, it's an almighty inconvenience.

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