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Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by changelink »

skrebbel wrote: post #18

My wife has postcovid and this is a profound effect. Yesterday she tried to add up a series of numbers by heart, and she simply couldn’t. For context, she’s pretty mathy and used to mock me for taking out a calculator or a spreadsheet for stuff like that. She also forgets everything, which is another thing she used to be great at. It’s pretty confronting, especially now that the idea that maybe this isn’t temporary i…

My girlfriend has pretty bad post-covid, the thing that helped her most was getting on Citalopram. There's suspicions that many SSRI's have a anti-inflammatory effect on the brain, which might be the mechanism.

She's currently in oxygen therapy, we're positive about the effects but since it's dominating her life (and energy) at the moment it's hard to say what the effect is.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by zer00eyz »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #73
max_ wrote: post #16

Is there any real world test where higher IQ people do better than anyone else deterministically? I am not talking about correlations. I am talking about people with higher IQ can solve X problem that people with lower IQs can't. Not the ability to spot back & white patterns on a screen. The riches people are not the highest IQ people The Noble Prize Winners are not the highest IQ people The best sports players are n…

this is just a guess but I'm betting that if you take the best Nobel Prize Winners, and the best Mathematicians and give them IQ tests their average will be higher than the average of the general population (or the mean if you will) the best sports players and best musicians I would also suppose were higher IQ on average than normal sports players (I suppose this term means professional athletes) and normal musicians…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/05/fact-check-b...

The funny thing about specialists is that they can easily embarrass themselves when outside their field.

Watching your average politician talk about technology is a pretty great example of people speaking with zero context. Some of them clearly aren't dumb but they can get in over their heads with ease.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by skrebbel »

kadkadels wrote: post #96
skrebbel wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, well aware. Fortunately her group is an impressively can-do-attitude bunch, and she’s getting very concrete ideas from it. I think it helps that it was organized by a government-y instance who did some checking, and isn’t some facebook group turned physical or sth. (Also, no drinking. That would be madness. Nobody in that group drinks at all anymore, it would set back their recovery by a lot) For example, she h…

Don't worry about it being awkward, there are many reasons for being in a wheelchair besides not being able to walk at all . I mean, the fact that wheelchairs are provided at the entrance indicates that there is a demand from individuals who can walk to access them.

Nice observation! Appreciate this

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by skrebbel »

underdeserver wrote: post #69
skrebbel wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woa this is a great thing to hear actually. She got sick January 2022 so a bit over 2 years now. Our current fear is that this is the kind of thing where either you recover within ~2 years or it’s forever. Appreciate your story and will share with her. Her other symptoms, particularly the fatigue, do seem to improve (though the weather and being about to be outside impacts it a lot, so she had a huge setback 2 winter…

Happy my story can help. It's been a long ride, coming up on three years. Because of the symptoms I was prompted to invest in self improvement as well. I am much more diligent about regularly exercising, eating better, minding my mental health* and minding my sleep; and there are still bad days where I can't concentrate at all. But things are getting better overall. * Every day I don't read or watch the news I'm happ…

The news trick really helps huh. We do it too and wow

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by dguest »

nirui wrote: post #70
skrebbel wrote: post #18

My wife has postcovid and this is a profound effect. Yesterday she tried to add up a series of numbers by heart, and she simply couldn’t. For context, she’s pretty mathy and used to mock me for taking out a calculator or a spreadsheet for stuff like that. She also forgets everything, which is another thing she used to be great at. It’s pretty confronting, especially now that the idea that maybe this isn’t temporary i…

Odd. I also felt that my memory is not as good as it was used to, and I experiences Doorway effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doorway_effect ) more frequently in recent years compare to before. But I'm not really sure it was due to COVID or just simply being old (or due to been forced to live in a confined space for long period of time).

I always thought "getting old" was in part an accumulation of damage from infections and slow wear on the body.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by sorwin »

nirui wrote: post #70
skrebbel wrote: post #18

My wife has postcovid and this is a profound effect. Yesterday she tried to add up a series of numbers by heart, and she simply couldn’t. For context, she’s pretty mathy and used to mock me for taking out a calculator or a spreadsheet for stuff like that. She also forgets everything, which is another thing she used to be great at. It’s pretty confronting, especially now that the idea that maybe this isn’t temporary i…

Odd. I also felt that my memory is not as good as it was used to, and I experiences Doorway effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doorway_effect ) more frequently in recent years compare to before. But I'm not really sure it was due to COVID or just simply being old (or due to been forced to live in a confined space for long period of time).

This seems to be the issue - we're trying to study COVID, which affected literally the whole population of earth at this point, and we have no control group of people who have not been affected.

People have gotten older, have gone through mass societal change, and any other number of things in between.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by kadkadels »

logicchains wrote: post #94
defrost wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia has a population of 26 million, longer life expectancy than the USofA, and comprehensive medical records going back many decades. With ~98% of the population COVID vaccinated multiple times any vaccine effects would stick out like dogs balls. If anyone wants to posit "vaccines cause { stupid | strokes | etc }" Then such correlations should be readily apparent in the before | after records of 26 million test…

Australia's excess death rate is still higher than pre-covid: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-20/mortality-rates-austr... . If the Australian government released the data it'd be trivial to identify whether these deaths were concentrated in the vaccinated or the unvaccinated, but so far it hasn't released such data (if it even possesses such data in aggregate format).

Well, in that case, good that Australia isn't the only country in the world: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

which clearly shows that all-cause deaths in England were higher among the unvaccinated.

Here is a Reuters fact check: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-exces...

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by armchairdweller »

skrebbel wrote: post #98
jeffhuys wrote: post #59

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Has she been vaccinated? How many times?

Yes. The symptoms started the day after her 3rd jab. Basically she got that “woa i got jabbed yesterday and feel like shit” thing many people got, but then it just never went away. She got covid 1.5 months after that jab so there’s no telling whether the jab or the covid was the key cause to her long-time postcovid. The covid infection itself wasn’t particularly heavy. We very much want to stay out of the “covid vacc…

There are some expansive postcovid & postvax protocols on the flccc pages. Early on I had checked some of their references (e.g. on natto) and it looked good enough considering the speed of real science. Maybe good to check them out, and natto makes a good breakfast. In general they assume the condition is some kind of spikeopathy, wherever it comes from.

(The holy-vax crowd has discredited anything not approved by the marketing departments of the pharmaceutical industry from the beginning, so they won’t like this either.)

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by ahazred8ta »

dakiol wrote: post #19
max_ wrote: post #16

Is there any real world test where higher IQ people do better than anyone else deterministically? I am not talking about correlations. I am talking about people with higher IQ can solve X problem that people with lower IQs can't. Not the ability to spot back & white patterns on a screen. The riches people are not the highest IQ people The Noble Prize Winners are not the highest IQ people The best sports players are n…

Here in western europe IQ tests are unheard of. I never met anyone (people at work, family members, close friends, acquaintances, etc.) who has taken such a test.

Try the British Army Cognitive Test https://www.google.com/search?q=british+army+cognitive+test , the Danish draft board's Børge Priens Prøve (BPP), and any other european country with an induction test for military recruits.
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