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Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by arrowsmith »

tsimionescu wrote: post #92
arrowsmith wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the ICJ has found there is a possible case for this This is not true, and is based on a misreading of the ICJ's judgement and of the relevant law. https://rozenberg.substack.com/p/lawyers-letter-based-on-err...

That is a lie. Here are the explicit findings: > 72. In these circumstances, the Court considers that the catastrophic humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip is at serious risk of deteriorating further before the Court renders its final judgment. > 73. The Court recalls Israel’s statement that it has taken certain steps to address and alleviate the conditions faced by the population in the Gaza Strip. The Court fur…

I stand corrected.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

otterley wrote: post #119
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rosa Parks was both trespassing (she was subsequently arrested, the exchange shockingly resembles the one here) and interfering with folks that her race was legally proscribed from interfering with. We should all be glad that the view of "she should have just founded her own capitalist, nonwhites-only bus company" did not prevail. (Google's anti-Gazan defense-dealing is the bus company, in this example)

Those are some interesting uses of the words “trespassing” and “interfering.” You’ll find a copy of her arrest warrant here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/26/us/rosa-parks-montgomery-... “It took the police a couple of tries to settle on legal language describing her alleged offense.”

That's a pretty interesting use of the word "interesting". As I said, the exchange shockingly resembles the one here ('sorry, but if you dont leave, Im gonna have to have you arrested' or some equivalent), and she was interfering with folks that her race was legally proscribed from interfering with, as Palestinians are often legally proscribed from interfering with Israelis.

>“It took the police a couple of tries to settle on legal language describing her alleged offense.”

You say that as if we don't all already know that the actual offense was upsetting the order of the apartheid. What took a bunch of racists a couple of tries to eventually settle upon is irrelevant. Similarly, the police in this case may take a couple of tries to eventually settle upon legal language, but we nonetheless all know that the actual offense was upsetting the order of the apartheid. Just like Rosa Parks.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by sakjur »

Animats wrote: post #13
NeverFade wrote: post #6

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In what form of government is a vocal minority of activist workers allowed to take over their employer's place of business? Please don't say "communism" as they would be sent to the gulag or worse in every communist regime that has ever existed.

When that happened in Poland in 1980, the activist workers won.[1] That's one of the places where the downfall of the USSR began. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_%28Polish_trade_uni...

The Czechoslovak velvet revolution in 1989 also comes to mind.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by [deleted] »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #122
otterley wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are some interesting uses of the words “trespassing” and “interfering.” You’ll find a copy of her arrest warrant here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/26/us/rosa-parks-montgomery-... “It took the police a couple of tries to settle on legal language describing her alleged offense.”

That's a pretty interesting use of the word "interesting". As I said, the exchange shockingly resembles the one here ('sorry, but if you dont leave, Im gonna have to have you arrested' or some equivalent), and she was interfering with folks that her race was legally proscribed from interfering with, as Palestinians are often legally proscribed from interfering with Israelis. >“It took the police a couple of tries to…

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Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by tsimionescu »

dh2022 wrote: post #118
tsimionescu wrote: post #102

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It is not antisemitic to want the borders of Israel to change ( if that is how you interpret the song). Just as much as it is not anti-arab or anti-Muslim to want the Palestinian territories to stay disconnected as they are today.

First of all - this is how the song is interpreted by most of the people. Second of all - if you really believe changing Israel's borders is not an act against Jewish people (and thus antisemitic) you and I cannot agree on anything. Freedom to agree to disagree....

I think it's extremely important to separate opinions on Israel, a sovereign state where both Jewish people and Arabs and other ethnicities live and are welcome, from opinions on Jewish people.

Many Jewish people around the world and inside Israel in fact are strongly against Israel's actions. Some even participate in BDS or other protest movements, even calling for sanctions of Israel.

Similarly, many people oppose the USA's actions. Some Texans even want to secede, affecting the borders of the USA. That doesn't make them antisemitic (even though the majority of the world's Jewish population outside Israel lives in the USA), nor anti-caucasian, nor anti-black, nor anti-hispanic (though of course some of them could also be some of these things).

There really is no rational reason to say that opposing Israel's actions or wanting it to accommodate certain borders for the Palestinian territories is antisemitic. It is anti-Israel and that's it.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by NeverFade »

cad31 wrote: post #99
JamesAdir wrote: post #55

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The same contract the exists between CIA and aws for it's top secret regions. I always ponder why people protest against something that happens thousands of miles from their homes, while the same activity occurs in their own country.

It is because the CIA is not using AI to create strike target lists.

You'd rather Israel doesn't have the technology to target terrorists with precision, and instead will be forced to use crude methods to carpet-bomb large areas where they hide?

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by otterley »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #122
otterley wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are some interesting uses of the words “trespassing” and “interfering.” You’ll find a copy of her arrest warrant here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/26/us/rosa-parks-montgomery-... “It took the police a couple of tries to settle on legal language describing her alleged offense.”

That's a pretty interesting use of the word "interesting". As I said, the exchange shockingly resembles the one here ('sorry, but if you dont leave, Im gonna have to have you arrested' or some equivalent), and she was interfering with folks that her race was legally proscribed from interfering with, as Palestinians are often legally proscribed from interfering with Israelis. >“It took the police a couple of tries to…

My point was that her offense was neither trespass nor interference with others, contrary to your claim. So actually trespassing and interfering with others at work doesn’t make you a Rosa Parks—even if you or others think you’re doing the right thing.

Besides, Ms. Parks herself was impacted by the unjust laws that required her to sit at the back of the bus. It’s unclear how Google’s activities directly and substantially impacted the lives of the protestors here.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by gorbot »

NeverFade wrote: post #127
cad31 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is because the CIA is not using AI to create strike target lists.

You'd rather Israel doesn't have the technology to target terrorists with precision, and instead will be forced to use crude methods to carpet-bomb large areas where they hide?

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Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

otterley wrote: post #128
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty interesting use of the word "interesting". As I said, the exchange shockingly resembles the one here ('sorry, but if you dont leave, Im gonna have to have you arrested' or some equivalent), and she was interfering with folks that her race was legally proscribed from interfering with, as Palestinians are often legally proscribed from interfering with Israelis. >“It took the police a couple of tries to…

My point was that her offense was neither trespass nor interference with others, contrary to your claim. So actually trespassing and interfering with others at work doesn’t make you a Rosa Parks—even if you or others think you’re doing the right thing. Besides, Ms. Parks herself was impacted by the unjust laws that required her to sit at the back of the bus. It’s unclear how Google’s activities directly and substanti…

My point was that Rosa Parks' offense, whatever the racist police's explanation for it, was indeed interfering with apartheid. There is no "contrary to the claim" there. Rosa Parks was indeed arrested according to some legal framework around preserving an apartheid, just like here. Maybe they took some time to "settle upon legal language". Maybe the police here will, too. Either way, both cases are around protestors protesting apartheid and being arrested under some charges that the apartheid-preserving powers conjured up.

To address your edit:

Rosa Parks was protesting the treatment African Americans were receiving, these workers were protesting the treatment Gazans are receiving.

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