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Re: Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays

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It seems to be down now. Here's the text if it continues to not work: I’ve been lucky enough to have the chance to fly a lot over the past year or so. Working with Stephen Foskett and the rest of the Tech Field Day crew means that I’ve been to California almost every month. That’s a lot of flying. One of the things that I’ve noticed on my flights is that they don’t want you to smoke. You actually used to be able to s…

Or, have a gist. With images. https://gist.github.com/2766143

Re: Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays

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It seems to be down now. Here's the text if it continues to not work: I’ve been lucky enough to have the chance to fly a lot over the past year or so. Working with Stephen Foskett and the rest of the Tech Field Day crew means that I’ve been to California almost every month. That’s a lot of flying. One of the things that I’ve noticed on my flights is that they don’t want you to smoke. You actually used to be able to s…

Or, have a gist. With images. https://gist.github.com/2766143

Ah. Even better.

Thanks.

Re: Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays

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This was always awesome to me. I knew it perfectly from the moment I saw the ashtrays that it was a conscious and genius decision for the human-centered system of an airplane.

This has business implications more than UI implications, I think. We don't question airlines when it comes to safety regulations, pilot time off, good amounts of rest, all that. We regulate everything liberally. Air travel is a system designed like clockwork for every single variable and every single complex input. And it works nearly flawlessly.

Yet, in business—even in the best businesses—we expect far more of individual people than they are capable of, instead of improving the systems they're in. You have to control for both, and design for the realities of business and work; even the human ones. Don't believe in myths, don't depend on rockstars, and prepare for anything. Improve your systems as if it was as important as air travel. Your employees are great, but put ashtrays in the bathrooms so they don't set the plane on fire. So to speak.

For those interested in systems thinking and especially how it relates to people and business, look up W. Edwards Deming and read at least his 14 points. Read "Out of the Crisis" for more. Personally I think systems thinking needs to be more prevalent in business today, but we're still a very individualist society so it's very difficult to make the leap. Something to consider as well.

Re: Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure it was, but now it says "This website is offline. No cached version is available"

Try the google cache version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&outpu...

Or this gist I made while I had the page up:

https://gist.github.com/2766143

Re: Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays

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This is an important lesson. Programmers are constantly blaming users for this and that. Yes, it can make sense for stuff that's rare, but building your apps around the idea that users are rational human beings who read error messages and instructions makes no more sense than building your apps around the idea that computers have unlimited processing power and storage space.

99% of the time, "that was the user's fault" just doesn't cut it. You need to be design around the user's flaws just as you need to design around the computer's flaws, the network's flaws, the OS's flaws....

Re: Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays

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If an errant cigarette is enough to bring down a plane why does the TSA strip search me looking for a bomb? I bet you could get a pretty roaring fire going using the 120v outlet and all the paper goods provided in the bathroom.

Because, although it could bring down a plane, it's very likely not to. The fire will be detected quickly and then put out.

Your question is sort of like asking, if an airliner can fly on one engine, why do they bother putting on two? The answer, quite simply, is robustness.

Re: Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays

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That's interesting news to me. I did wonder why smoking paraphernalia continued to appear in planes that were covered in anti-smoking insignia. I always assumed that the bathrooms, seat etc were made in large quantities, and that there are a lot of countries in the world where you can still light up in a flight, not to mention privately owned planes. I once flew on a Japan Air Lines flight back in the '90s. At that s…

"The fire risk alone should immediately discount it."

A quick Google turns up only two airline accidents possibly attributed to cigarettes (a 1982 Illyshin IL-18 crash in Guangzhou, China and a 1973 crash in France). Pretty minimal, given that smoking was allowed on millions of flights for close to 90 years.

Re: Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays

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Perhaps also because there are still airlines in the world (almost entirely in the Middle East and Africa) that still allow smoking.

I don't know about the Middle East. I've flown on just about all the Middle Eastern airlines over the past 7 years, I don't think I've seen a single one that permitted smoking.
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