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We need to rewild the internet

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Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by tsunamifury »

Gud wrote: post #66
tsunamifury wrote: post #44

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Because they remember the past far more fondly than it was and converge the utility they get from the current day with the ideals of back then. The reality is there is far more creative and well produced content on the web and closed platforms today than there ever was in any other point in time. And if you can't find it fast enough, AI can generate direct, customized answers.

No, it is not us "remembering the past far more fondly". Today Google search results yield the same crap without fail. For example, a search for "how do I repair widget X" will inevitable take me to a garbage SEO site following the same patterns. The internet is less useful today than it was 10 years ago. Probably it peaked 20 years ago, before big money completely took over and ruined the place.

It did not peak 20 years ago. This is laughable rose tinted glasses.

Also you can ask almost any LLM model for that type of answer and get it instantly and personalized.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by Vrondi »

Almondsetat wrote: post #86
FroshKiller wrote: post #84

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Then it isn't around. It's walled off. And it will disappear.

Do you spend your life reading 20yo blog posts? Just live the moment with the opportunities it gives you

The current moment is great if you never need to find an old book, fix an old car, fix an old house, identify an old variety of plant, or any of a thousand other things. Basically, if you have no other interests, responsibilities, or desires other than fads, like a child. That's fine. Otherwise, there are decades of useful experience of large groups of human out there to be mined. It can often save you thousands of dollars, but then again, that's something only a grown-up cares about.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by ya1sec »

lancesells wrote: post #100
properbrew wrote: post #77

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If you haven't checked out the "Surpise me" button on https://wiby.me I strongly suggest you do. These digital gardens are still out there even if sadly stuck in time.

I've used that button so many times to find things. I wish there was another directory that had the same unique feel but a bit more modernized. Wiby seems to be only one era or feel.

Gonna plug my project: https://moonjump.app/

I have a keyboard shortcut that opens moonjump.app/jump, which will redirect to a random site

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by marginalia_nu »

jmholla wrote: post #102
lancesells wrote: post #100

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I've used that button so many times to find things. I wish there was another directory that had the same unique feel but a bit more modernized. Wiby seems to be only one era or feel.

I like Marginalia: https://search.marginalia.nu/explore/random

I got some quality issues right now. Kinda works but not as well as I'd want.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by waprin »

Almondsetat wrote: post #86
FroshKiller wrote: post #84

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Then it isn't around. It's walled off. And it will disappear.

Do you spend your life reading 20yo blog posts? Just live the moment with the opportunities it gives you

Ironic you post this because I just rediscovered a 20yo blog post that I remembered reading, re-read it again and found it very motivating and inspiring and submitted it.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by Vrondi »

dangrossman wrote: post #95
logicprog wrote: post #89

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> Self-hosting means taking a second job as a sysadmin True, in the literal sense that you will have to administrate your own system, but I'm sure there must be ways to make this easier for people. Perhaps small computers that come pre-configured with the correct specifications for being a good small-scale server and pre-installed with software that provides a simple web GUI dashboard that you can just drop files on…

> A data breach? On a small self-hosted blog or email server? Who's data would those regulations be punishing you for leaking, your own, maybe two freinds'? Say you host your own WordPress blog with comments enabled. A few of your posts get to the front page of Hacker News, and you collect a couple hundred comments from California techies. Your WordPress instance is breached because you didn't patch a zero day vulner…

The easy solution is to just not enable comments. Nobody has an account on my site but me. I'm endangering nobody's data but mine. No worries.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by thesagan »

The Internet is not Detroit, but like Detroit it expanded very very fast and was very very innovative and open. Then it consolidated, which is ongoing. Things settled… for a while. The early days of Detroit saw hundreds of little innovative experimental companies that over time became the big three. The rest is history. Detroit is the victim of its own invention.

Luckily my analogy isn’t a very good one, the Internet is nothing like Detroit. It is, however, interesting how quickly wild things can be tamed, and that may beckon a cautionary lesson.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by telmo »

dangrossman wrote: post #95
logicprog wrote: post #89

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> Self-hosting means taking a second job as a sysadmin True, in the literal sense that you will have to administrate your own system, but I'm sure there must be ways to make this easier for people. Perhaps small computers that come pre-configured with the correct specifications for being a good small-scale server and pre-installed with software that provides a simple web GUI dashboard that you can just drop files on…

> A data breach? On a small self-hosted blog or email server? Who's data would those regulations be punishing you for leaking, your own, maybe two freinds'? Say you host your own WordPress blog with comments enabled. A few of your posts get to the front page of Hacker News, and you collect a couple hundred comments from California techies. Your WordPress instance is breached because you didn't patch a zero day vulner…

Come on now. Can you point to one single case of something close to this scenario having happened in real life to a small self-hosted WordPress blog? Or even a big one? Governments are not that stupid, they are not that malicious and they do not have infinite resources to pursue such frivolous and nonsensical activities. This reads like some weird sort of paranoid legal fanfic.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by Filligree »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #124
jmholla wrote: post #102

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I like Marginalia: https://search.marginalia.nu/explore/random

I got some quality issues right now. Kinda works but not as well as I'd want.

It's gotten famous enough that people have started optimizing for it?
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