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Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by wswope »

mikewarot wrote: post #87

There aren't any operating systems capable of withstanding the internet for a year without updates and/or active management. Until this becomes possible, and widespread, the idea of self-hosting is going to remain niche. Furthermore, because no browser is totally secure, users are going to avoid non-popular links, perpetuating the walled gardens they already use. I fear our monoculture of operating systems has to be…

Where’s that idea coming from?

I’d wager >95% of LTS linux distributions released in the past ten years are still rock-solid if you’re just exposing 22, 80, and 443. Even PHP5 is still de facto bulletproof if you’re paranoid about not trusting user input.

Vulns don’t come out of nowhere.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by jmholla »

lancesells wrote: post #100
properbrew wrote: post #77

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If you haven't checked out the "Surpise me" button on https://wiby.me I strongly suggest you do. These digital gardens are still out there even if sadly stuck in time.

I've used that button so many times to find things. I wish there was another directory that had the same unique feel but a bit more modernized. Wiby seems to be only one era or feel.

I like Marginalia: https://search.marginalia.nu/explore/random

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by mauvehaus »

Almondsetat wrote: post #86
FroshKiller wrote: post #84

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Then it isn't around. It's walled off. And it will disappear.

Do you spend your life reading 20yo blog posts? Just live the moment with the opportunities it gives you

A forum for my car just went dark. Gone are not quite 20 years of posts and discussions that I've searched many times over while troubleshooting mine or in preparation for some job that needed to be done.

I made this discovery after going to post a novel solution for getting into the hood with a seized hood release in hopes that it might spare someone else some trouble in the future.

All things are not in the moment. Sometimes it's good to learn from the past.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by squigz »

dangrossman wrote: post #95
logicprog wrote: post #89

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> Self-hosting means taking a second job as a sysadmin True, in the literal sense that you will have to administrate your own system, but I'm sure there must be ways to make this easier for people. Perhaps small computers that come pre-configured with the correct specifications for being a good small-scale server and pre-installed with software that provides a simple web GUI dashboard that you can just drop files on…

> A data breach? On a small self-hosted blog or email server? Who's data would those regulations be punishing you for leaking, your own, maybe two freinds'? Say you host your own WordPress blog with comments enabled. A few of your posts get to the front page of Hacker News, and you collect a couple hundred comments from California techies. Your WordPress instance is breached because you didn't patch a zero day vulner…

> You have to personally notify every California resident of the breach, and California's Attorney General.

And if one doesn't?

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by squigz »

renegat0x0 wrote: post #35

I am running my personal web crawler since September of 2022. I gather internet domains and assign them meta information. There are various sources of my data. I assign "personal" tag to any personal website. I assign "self-host" tag to any self-host program I find. I have less than 3k of personal websites. Data are in the repository. https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database I still rely on google for man…

> I have less than 3k of personal websites.

It is extraordinarily difficult for me to believe this is indicative of the reality of the entire Internet. I've probably visited a good chunk of this amount of personal sites.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by [deleted] »

squigz wrote: post #104
dangrossman wrote: post #95

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> A data breach? On a small self-hosted blog or email server? Who's data would those regulations be punishing you for leaking, your own, maybe two freinds'? Say you host your own WordPress blog with comments enabled. A few of your posts get to the front page of Hacker News, and you collect a couple hundred comments from California techies. Your WordPress instance is breached because you didn't patch a zero day vulner…

> You have to personally notify every California resident of the breach, and California's Attorney General. And if one doesn't?

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Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by squigz »

Timwi wrote: post #69
marginalia_nu wrote: post #38

There's plenty of great fascinating wild Internet out there. The problem is finding it, since it typically struggles to be heard in a sea of well funded SEO-optimized garbage. It's a discovery problem, above all.

I agree with you, although I wonder how we found the great fascinating wild websites before search engines even existed. I remember “web rings” but I don't think that's the whole story.

For a long time, search engines weren't nearly as SEO-gamed as they are now

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by Vrondi »

urda wrote: post #2

More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.

...these things still exist. They are not surfaced by search engines, because they are too small, and no companies are paying the search engines to do so. Most people stay inside their social network bubbles and never look at regular websites outside them.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by mauvehaus »

dhosek wrote: post #93
Almondsetat wrote: post #86

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Do you spend your life reading 20yo blog posts? Just live the moment with the opportunities it gives you

Sometimes. I stumbled across somebody’s 20+-year-old collection of deep musical analyses of early Chicago songs. That same material on Twitter/Facebook/Discord/whatever is going to be inaccessible.

I'd be interested in a link. Live At Carnegie Hall was my paper-writing music in college. I discovered later that I don't much care for it when I don't have anything else occupying my mind. I'm unsure if it's because there isn't really that much to the songs of if I'm missing some nuance and complexity that makes them worth another listen.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by dangrossman »

squigz wrote: post #104
dangrossman wrote: post #95

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> A data breach? On a small self-hosted blog or email server? Who's data would those regulations be punishing you for leaking, your own, maybe two freinds'? Say you host your own WordPress blog with comments enabled. A few of your posts get to the front page of Hacker News, and you collect a couple hundred comments from California techies. Your WordPress instance is breached because you didn't patch a zero day vulner…

> You have to personally notify every California resident of the breach, and California's Attorney General. And if one doesn't?

The state can get an injunction against you, fine you, and in some situations creates a private cause of action for the people whose information was breached to individually sue you with statutory damages available.
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