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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by jordanpg »

davidcollantes wrote: post #54
jordanpg wrote: post #23

"Don't feel like scrolling? Watch the video instead!" Please add a TL;DR here as well. Some of us never want to watch the video instead.

Everything can't have a TL;DR. Well, it can, but it loses the essence, the meaning. I saw the animations, I read the text, I interacted with the page, and felt touched. I understood the message the author is trying to convey. I liked the execution. Just as you, I don't like (much) watching videos.

Fair enough. I think I was just reacting to the "watch the video" suggestion which is a continuous source of irritation to me especially in the complicated video game word (e.g., Paradox games).

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by fsckboy »

> Hono - [炎] means flame in Japanese

oh, cool! that must mean, because of all those volcanos, that Honolulu means...

> From Hawaiian Honolulu, from hono (“bay, harbor”), cognate with Maori whanga, + lulu (“shelter”), from Proto-Malayo-Polynesian duŋduŋ (“sheltered”).*

ok, nope. "fire shelter" would have been pretty cool tho.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by eptcyka »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #115
spyckie2 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, the visualizations don't sell the story. If you actually take the percentage, it's like 30-50% more likely to have the worse outcome the worse your adverse background gets. But on the chart, it's only like an extra line of kids. The absolute number increases don't look like much, but the percentage increase is very high. I think the authors could have done a much better job at highlighting that.

> If you actually take the percentage, it's like 30-50% more likely to have the worse outcome the worse your adverse background gets. I realize that this is a taboo subject, but how much of that is nature and how much is nurture? Low IQ is associated with worse life outcomes, and it's not exactly a problem you can fix by throwing money and resources at it.

Better environments produce a population with a higher IQ.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by pc86 »

numlocked wrote: post #5

Very cool site, however... ...my takeaway is a little different than what is in the commentary box (for the year 2017 in particular). The distribution of incomes don't actually look that different, to my eye. If this is the grand reveal -- showing that childhood heavily influences future financial mobility -- it's not super obvious. I mean, yes, there seem to be a bit of a skew towards low earners in the bottom tranc…

A large proportion of the time -- I hesitate to say "most" but that is my inclination -- the people making these visualizations have an agenda, and it's usually increased funding for their pet cause. So any time you're looking at this sort of thing especially when they're making broad over-arching generalizations (more "trauma" as a child makes life harder) it's important to read critically, interrogate the validity and bias of sources, and try to see if and where they may be skewing things with visualizations, omitting or lessening the perceived impact of damning data that disagrees with them, and/or making things that agree with their point more prominent than they probably should be. I usually don't even try to figure out what their "pet cause" may be before doing any of that because I don't want my own implicit biases to influence me more than they already do.

It's hard to be sure but I also think several of the folks earning the most as adults came from the "bottom" tier with the most adverse childhood experiences.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by the_sleaze9 »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #115
spyckie2 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, the visualizations don't sell the story. If you actually take the percentage, it's like 30-50% more likely to have the worse outcome the worse your adverse background gets. But on the chart, it's only like an extra line of kids. The absolute number increases don't look like much, but the percentage increase is very high. I think the authors could have done a much better job at highlighting that.

> If you actually take the percentage, it's like 30-50% more likely to have the worse outcome the worse your adverse background gets. I realize that this is a taboo subject, but how much of that is nature and how much is nurture? Low IQ is associated with worse life outcomes, and it's not exactly a problem you can fix by throwing money and resources at it.

Do you have a source for the claim "Low IQ is associated with worse life outcomes"? I've never seen one.

In fact it is EQ - emotional intelligence - and not IQ that predicts positive life outcomes most strongly.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by dimgl »

Is it just me or does this visualization show that things aren't actually that bad? And that adverse experiences don't have that much of an impact on outcomes?

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by hedora »

rahkiin wrote: post #57
deathanatos wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, … I don't think I dig the visualization done. These are essentially like bar-pie charts (whatever you call a bar, split into segments, each segment representing a % of a whole), but many of the "bars" are not of the same length, which makes visual comparison of the subsegments tricky. > But the data seems to show that over the last 20 years, people from all background types are likely to experience bad things.…

> whatever you call a bar, split into segments, each segment representing a % of a whole A percentage stacked bar chart

But it's not that, since the bars are different thicknesses, and that changes the horizontal scale of each bar. These are some of the hardest to interpret charts I've seen in a long time.

The animations are misleading too. When the people run around on the page, you can't tell if they're changing color or not. It gives the impression that every individual in the study ends up being the same color in each scenario, which clearly isn't true.

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