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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by toomuchtodo »

throwway120385 wrote: post #45
toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Less kids in households that don't want them. This is a pipeline problem. Intentional children only. Hard topic to cover online, nuance and emotions on the topic. > I volunteer in a local school. It's not always fun, but something has to change. You're a good person doing necessary work. There aren't enough humans doing it, but it matters to who you're helping.

It would also help if more people that are doing marginal work could receive a wage that they felt secure with. Money is one of the biggest stressors for couples and families.

I do not disagree. But it will take years, if not decades, for labor rights and organizing to improve the situation you mention. Preventing unwanted children takes less time and effort, tragic as it is to type out.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by sweetbacon »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #9

The visualization will frequently incorrectly show something of the form: True True False False True True False False

Yes I saw this on a few "screens" and it really confused me at first. They flashy visuals detract from the message in a variety of ways.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by moralestapia »

rlt wrote: post #48
aestetix wrote: post #32

I watched the video. Maybe I am not understanding the visuals, but it looked like the narrator's conclusions do not actually match the data. He is trying to make an argument that poor kids need extra help or they will have a rough life. But the data seems to show that over the last 20 years, people from all background types are likely to experience bad things. Granted the last 20 years has been pretty awful, with 9/1…

> Granted the last 20 years has been pretty awful, with 9/11, various wars, and other things. Those are awful things, but I suspect they don’t affect kids in the same way that poverty and violence does.

(as others have said countless times)

Poverty fucks people up like no other thing, sometimes for life.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by ericmcer »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #38
ericmcer wrote: post #35

Kind of cool, but the conclusion was completely backwards. The final line of the study was "So he is our collective responsibility. They all are.", but the entire study was about how the home environment affects your outcomes. I guess their conclusion is that if an individual does a bad job raising their kids, it is societies fault.

I think the idea is that "only support your family" harms everyone. The example, Alex, has 2 kids, works manual labor to earn poverty wages, and is depressed. Which one of the types of teen do you think his kids will be? The common refrain is "then he shouldn't have had kids" but unless you're going to create an authoritarian state people will always have kids (and restricting kids went awfully for China anyway).

Convincing people that their problems are outside of their control and that the only way to solve them is to vote a certain way is also a form of authoritarianism. If you aren't to blame for your own life that implies you have no control over it.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by tomvalorsa »

In case the author swings by - I think the presentation of this is really cool. The sprites bring it to life as they hurry around the screen! The way Alex bookends the walkthrough of the data is clever as well, and I felt the return to him at the end was quite evocative. Nice work!

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by Cockbrand »

For a different approach on the socio-economic background's influence on growing up (and eventually growing old), check out the very interesting "Up Series" [0].

It's a British documentary series that starts out with interviews with kids at age 7 from different backgrounds, and then interviews the same group of people every 7 years (14 Up, 21 Up, you get the idea). They've come to "63 Up" so far.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_(film_series)

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by gnramires »

ericmcer wrote: post #35

Kind of cool, but the conclusion was completely backwards. The final line of the study was "So he is our collective responsibility. They all are.", but the entire study was about how the home environment affects your outcomes. I guess their conclusion is that if an individual does a bad job raising their kids, it is societies fault.

I think the core message is that a child's life is strongly determined by his family life/environment, it's not just a personal choice to succeed or to fail.

So if we want people to have better outcomes, we need to help better family lives/environments (and lives in general) to break the cycle, and not just give them basic education. Also, the family is just a group of individuals that probably themselves have come from poor conditions: this means there's hope of breaking the cycle.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by CryptoBanker »

ericmcer wrote: post #35

Kind of cool, but the conclusion was completely backwards. The final line of the study was "So he is our collective responsibility. They all are.", but the entire study was about how the home environment affects your outcomes. I guess their conclusion is that if an individual does a bad job raising their kids, it is societies fault.

There is a difference between fault and responsibility

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by nvy »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #58
micromacrofoot wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is that "only support your family" harms everyone. The example, Alex, has 2 kids, works manual labor to earn poverty wages, and is depressed. Which one of the types of teen do you think his kids will be? The common refrain is "then he shouldn't have had kids" but unless you're going to create an authoritarian state people will always have kids (and restricting kids went awfully for China anyway).

I think social and individual expectations are a big part of this. Why is Alex depressed? If they had 20k more a year, would they be happier, or just 2 steps ahead on and empty hedonistic treadmill. Alex now has a new mustang, but is still depressed and fails as a parent. I think it would be interesting to see the relative impact of a 2 parent + low risk home vs income, and I think there is a lot lost when people ass…

Money actually does buy happiness, despite what the wealthy would like you to believe.

It is very likely that yes, he would in fact be happier with an extra 20k a year.

You don't know he'd have a new mustang; that's just you projecting. He might put the extra 20k a year into savings for his kid's education - I know that feeling like I'm setting my kids up for future success makes me happy.

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