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Why would they belong in a platform-specific app but not in a standard-based web app? Because Apple can't get 30% out of it?

Because there's typically at least a minimum of safety checks before an app can go into the app store, whereas a website can do whatever it wants (and can).

Almost all of these APIs still require a user to approve their use in the browser for a given origin.

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Me too. Device orientation, USB, Bluetooth, vibration, they don't belong in a web app.

Why would they belong in a platform-specific app but not in a standard-based web app? Because Apple can't get 30% out of it?

Because some of us lived through pop up hell and Microsoft’s lack of security as it relates to web browsers in the late 90s/2000s. Web apps should be as restricted as possible.

Rich companies such as Epic, complaining about a 30% cut can cry me a river. Lock iOS down as much as possible and restrict/sandbox the web.

iOS is the only internet connected computer I’ve had that didn’t get malware and/or a virus at some point. Unless you consider an Xbox/PlayStation a computer.

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Re: iOS404

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This site should really include Mozilla's position on the spec too. Google shipping some, potentially harebrained, idea in Chromium doesn't mean that Safari and Firefox MUST also ship it. There should be links to relevant entries from https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/ and https://webkit.org/standards-positions/

This is a good example of how the chromium monoculture hurts the web. It ends up being Google's way or highway.

EDIT: You can filter by features that both Firefox and Chrome support by tapping the Chrome icon. This takes the list from 63 entries to 29

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That's more or less how HTML has always been. Before Chrome, it was IE just adding stuff. Before IE, it was Netscape just adding stuff. JavaScript itself is just a browser adding stuff.

Like it or not, W3C standards have always been reactive to what browsers are already doing.

And what's really remarkable about this list is that quite a few are supported on Safari on Mac, just not on iOS. Like autofocus. It's just a simple attribute you can put on an tag that autofocuses that element when the page loads. It's on Mac Safari. It's on Android browsers. It's just not on any iOS browser because, you have to assume, someone at Apple held it back for not very good reasons.

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I guess that they are missing for good reason? Web notifications? Sparsely useful, 99% is just some clickbait website trying to feed you junk. Thanks Apple! The website look cool tho.

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It seems wrong to mix and match actual accepted standards with things that only Chrome implements which are not standards.

Should iOS adopt [feature] because Chrome has it, or why else is it on the list? What benefits am I missing as a user?

As a mainly desktop Firefox user, any time I have a web bug my developer colleagues asks me to try Chrome instead because they only develop and test in Chrome. I would say if we care about standards and an open web we should not cater so much to Chrome's whims and wishes…

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Looks awesome! While the visualization is cool, I hope some of these will remain "not found" indefinitely. Just because we can stick everything into a web-spec, doesn't mean we should.

Me too. Device orientation, USB, Bluetooth, vibration, they don't belong in a web app.

Correct, we need to be hiring 3x the amount of programmers to make our apps on 3 platforms instead of one, webusb is killing jobs!

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That's more or less how HTML has always been. Before Chrome, it was IE just adding stuff. Before IE, it was Netscape just adding stuff. JavaScript itself is just a browser adding stuff. Like it or not, W3C standards have always been reactive to what browsers are already doing. And what's really remarkable about this list is that quite a few are supported on Safari on Mac, just not on iOS. Like autofocus. It's just a…

Couldn't it have to do with how touch works? You always have to tap where you type anyways.
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