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My battle with Tesla: I want to clear my name before I die

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Re: My battle with Tesla: I want to clear my name before I die

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Post by master-lincoln »

mschuster91 wrote: post #14
LightBug1 wrote: post #10

At this point, how could anyone even contemplate buying from such a scummy company? ... (not necessarily staff, although you'd have to assume that many of them have bought in the Elon hype and are, as such, complicit). If branding means anything in this day and age, how can you associate yourself with such scummy brand? As a customer or employee? I was a fanboy a decade ago. Wouldn't touch them with your bargepole no…

> At this point, how could anyone even contemplate buying from such a scummy company? Sad to say it but Tesla is still miles ahead of the competition in specs (power, torque, speed, range) at the respective pricepoints.

But it's far behind in safety, comfort, ergonomics, quality, privacy. So we need to chose what is important to us

Re: My battle with Tesla: I want to clear my name before I die

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Post by hypnoosi »

LightBug1 wrote: post #10

At this point, how could anyone even contemplate buying from such a scummy company? ... (not necessarily staff, although you'd have to assume that many of them have bought in the Elon hype and are, as such, complicit). If branding means anything in this day and age, how can you associate yourself with such scummy brand? As a customer or employee? I was a fanboy a decade ago. Wouldn't touch them with your bargepole no…

While I understand the concerns about the company's branding and leadership, owning a Tesla is actually a dream of mine =D

Despite everything, Tesla owners report being incredibly satisfied with their vehicles (think I saw a survey the were happiest?). Performance, innovation, and environmental benefits... Unfortunately, buying one is not within my budget at the moment. It's a goal I'm working towards, and hopefully, by the time I can afford it, the issues you've highlighted might see some resolution =P

Re: My battle with Tesla: I want to clear my name before I die

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Post by cjk2 »

hypnoosi wrote: post #22
LightBug1 wrote: post #10

At this point, how could anyone even contemplate buying from such a scummy company? ... (not necessarily staff, although you'd have to assume that many of them have bought in the Elon hype and are, as such, complicit). If branding means anything in this day and age, how can you associate yourself with such scummy brand? As a customer or employee? I was a fanboy a decade ago. Wouldn't touch them with your bargepole no…

While I understand the concerns about the company's branding and leadership, owning a Tesla is actually a dream of mine =D Despite everything, Tesla owners report being incredibly satisfied with their vehicles (think I saw a survey the were happiest?). Performance, innovation, and environmental benefits... Unfortunately, buying one is not within my budget at the moment. It's a goal I'm working towards, and hopefully,…

People who buy expensive things are more satisfied with them.

That doesn't mean they are objectively better or that is correct.

Edit: an analogy: I have a really nice expensive mechanical watch but my shit $10 Casio is objectively more useful and keeps time better. So that get used more.

Re: My battle with Tesla: I want to clear my name before I die

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Post by brtkdotse »

mschuster91 wrote: post #14
LightBug1 wrote: post #10

At this point, how could anyone even contemplate buying from such a scummy company? ... (not necessarily staff, although you'd have to assume that many of them have bought in the Elon hype and are, as such, complicit). If branding means anything in this day and age, how can you associate yourself with such scummy brand? As a customer or employee? I was a fanboy a decade ago. Wouldn't touch them with your bargepole no…

> At this point, how could anyone even contemplate buying from such a scummy company? Sad to say it but Tesla is still miles ahead of the competition in specs (power, torque, speed, range) at the respective pricepoints.

> power, torque, speed

Unless you’re planning on driving on a course, or being an asshole in traffic, these matter a lot less than people think in day-to-day driving

Re: My battle with Tesla: I want to clear my name before I die

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Post by cjk2 »

brtkdotse wrote: post #24
mschuster91 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point, how could anyone even contemplate buying from such a scummy company? Sad to say it but Tesla is still miles ahead of the competition in specs (power, torque, speed, range) at the respective pricepoints.

> power, torque, speed Unless you’re planning on driving on a course, or being an asshole in traffic, these matter a lot less than people think in day-to-day driving

Yeah this. Which is why I sold my turd and bought a shit city car.

Re: My battle with Tesla: I want to clear my name before I die

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Post by the-lazy-guy »

cjk2 wrote: post #8

I made this comment the other day. Sounds like it still applies. Tesla are car Boeing.

This does not sound as bad as you want it to.

Last time I checked, Boeing was responsible roughly for the half of all flights worldwide and fligths are 3 orders of magnitude safer than car trips.

Re: My battle with Tesla: I want to clear my name before I die

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

the-lazy-guy wrote: post #26
cjk2 wrote: post #8

I made this comment the other day. Sounds like it still applies. Tesla are car Boeing.

This does not sound as bad as you want it to. Last time I checked, Boeing was responsible roughly for the half of all flights worldwide and fligths are 3 orders of magnitude safer than car trips.

The real question is how does their safety stack up against other companies in the field today? Sure you’re probably not going to die on a Boeing but would you rather fly Boeing or Airbus?

Re: My battle with Tesla: I want to clear my name before I die

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Post by rob74 »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #7

Reportedly, Tesla is having a big issue with their accelerator pedal right now. The thin metal cover of that pedal is not always thoroughly secured and slides off easily, wedging itself into the carpet behind the pedal. This causes the accelerator to be stuck (at high velocity!). https://insideevs.com/news/716031/tesla-cybertruck-stuck-acc... As a Tesla customer, you are part of the QA team. That's what you get when…

In a petrol engine car you could react by shifting out of gear and flooring the brake pedal (and the clutch pedal if you have one). But what do you do in an electric car? Teslas do have a neutral gear, but it's more and more hidden with every new car generation (according to https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/598/how-to-put-..., for some newer models it's only available via the touchscreen). So you have to hope that the brake pedal will override the gas pedal?

Re: My battle with Tesla: I want to clear my name before I die

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Post by cjk2 »

the-lazy-guy wrote: post #26
cjk2 wrote: post #8

I made this comment the other day. Sounds like it still applies. Tesla are car Boeing.

This does not sound as bad as you want it to. Last time I checked, Boeing was responsible roughly for the half of all flights worldwide and fligths are 3 orders of magnitude safer than car trips.

That's not the metric I am comparing.

I am comparing safety culture. A bad safety culture has the propensity to do serious harm to people and should be called out.

When a business, read Boeing/Tesla/Toyota, cover up safety claims they can no longer be trusted with any decision where your safety is considered. That applies to being the victim of a safety outcome as well i.e. you do not own the product but it hurts you in some way.

FAA grounded entire Boeing types. There is not that oversight in the commercial car industry.

Re: My battle with Tesla: I want to clear my name before I die

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Post by nkrisc »

hypnoosi wrote: post #22
LightBug1 wrote: post #10

At this point, how could anyone even contemplate buying from such a scummy company? ... (not necessarily staff, although you'd have to assume that many of them have bought in the Elon hype and are, as such, complicit). If branding means anything in this day and age, how can you associate yourself with such scummy brand? As a customer or employee? I was a fanboy a decade ago. Wouldn't touch them with your bargepole no…

While I understand the concerns about the company's branding and leadership, owning a Tesla is actually a dream of mine =D Despite everything, Tesla owners report being incredibly satisfied with their vehicles (think I saw a survey the were happiest?). Performance, innovation, and environmental benefits... Unfortunately, buying one is not within my budget at the moment. It's a goal I'm working towards, and hopefully,…

Because being dissatisfied with it would mean admitting to themselves that they made a very expensive mistake, and that doesn’t feel good.

Many addicts are very satisfied with their drugs.

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