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California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables over a record 30 days

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Re: California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables over a record 30 days

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Same thought. It’s a bit of a bait and switch as the title implied to me a major milestone. But it’s not and the real milestone of renewables providing power continuously day and night remains.

running solar at night would be a real achievement!

Surplus solar and wind can charge batteries. Would this not count as time shifted solar?

Re: California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables over a record 30 days

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for 0.25-6 h per day That's nice and all, but 15 minutes is a much lesser achievement than the headline implies.

"60% of the time, it works every time" --Anchorman

Well, here it would be: between 2% and 25% of the time, it works every time

Re: California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables over a record 30 days

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It's flat on all sides though. https://www.tvo.fi/en/index/news/pressreleasesstockexchanger... Nuclear makes for square supply curves which are kind of hard to handle, especially if you have a large percentage of your supply from a few reactors like they do in Finland.

Smelt aluminum

And make fresh water and hydrogen from sea water.

Re: California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables over a record 30 days

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Try that in August

In California? We'll see this August, but if last August is anything to go by, it'll be fine.

https://www.caiso.com/Documents/SummerMarketPerformanceRepor... page 22

December, on the other hand, is a bit of a problem

Re: California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables over a record 30 days

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If even a website called electrek.co doesn't understand the difference between energy and electricity I guess we might as well give up.

California met its ELECTRICITY demand by renewables. They still imported boatloads of oil, petrol and nat gas as energy too.

This is still a great milestone! So not trying to downplay it, but we need to be realistic about our total energy use.

Re: California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables over a record 30 days

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Thank you, as a German paying absurd electricity prices I applaud this nuance.

I'd like to thanks the German government's policies for the past decades for making me pay absurd electricity prices since the Russian invasion started, even though I live in Sweden with 90+% of renewable electricity generation I'm forced to pay the highest spot price in the EU (aka, gas in Germany) because of Germany's decision to burn coal and gas all the way into 2022... The inertia on modernising Germany is start…

Sweden's doing pretty well, for sure .. but your assessment seems to be ahead of the IEA's ...

https://www.iea.org/countries/sweden

Renewables: 66.9% share of power generation, 2022

Sweden's wind is projected to grow: https://balticwind.eu/swedens-wind-power-surge-a-positive-ou...

but Sweden's grid demand is also projected to rise: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/swedish-power-demand...

I'm not sure Sweden's at the 90+% mark yet ... and besides, that's not counting energy demand in the transport sector and non power generation applications.

Re: California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables over a record 30 days

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If even a website called electrek.co doesn't understand the difference between energy and electricity I guess we might as well give up. California met its ELECTRICITY demand by renewables. They still imported boatloads of oil, petrol and nat gas as energy too. This is still a great milestone! So not trying to downplay it, but we need to be realistic about our total energy use.

Met its electricity demand for a short period of each day. I don't think the chin-scratching over why the public isn't agog at this milestone is sincere. Keep going and give us a call when it hits 50% of the total demand.

Re: California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables over a record 30 days

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The headline appears to be misleading. From the article:

"The continuity lies not in renewables running the grid for the entire day ..."

So it's not actually that California's electricity demands were met by renewables 100% of the time as one might think, given the headline.

As far as I can tell, it's not even that, disregarding the intermittency problem, total energy demand was met, on average.

It's just that sometime during the day 100% was hit.

Re: California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables over a record 30 days

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If you want to see a power grid truly without good pricing, reliability, or safety, look at Texas. Summer brings constant outages and market prices dozens of times higher than the norm. People were getting bills for thousands of dollars for a single family home in recent summers.

Hahahaha, okay. I'm in Texas now. I use a ridiculous amount of power to be honest mining in my single family home with A/C running all summer & heatpump during the winter. Care to explain? I've had more expensive bills in San Franciso, Alameda county just heating my home with way more temperate weather. I can provide actual data if you want. Outages? I've had more brown-outs & black-outs in California... the power sy…

Don't know how much it costs in California but probably it should cost much more in Texas to disincentivise you from wasting electricity.
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