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Re: GitHub for Windows

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

andybak wrote: post #116
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Scary crypto stuff"? So you don't understand how PKI works and you're trying to use distributed source control? (I say this not to be a jerk, but because there aren't exactly a wealth of good alternatives given it is a distributed source control mechanism. PKI comes with the territory and an SSH key generation is part of that) GitHub doesn't take any more setup than a standard Git setup takes (well, outside of signi…

I get really sick of this attitude. None of us want to understand every single domain of knowledge from set theory or quantum physics up to cosmology or social psychology. I personally have been forced to learn more low-level Unixy things than I ever wanted to. I want to write simple and elegant front and back end code quickly so I can spend my spare time honing UX and other human-facing aspects of my work. I resent…

You can't follow 3 step-by-step instructions, insult me by implying I'm flaming and then drudge up completely unrelated tools in a discussion about ssh-keygen?

What do you people want? Seriously? Yes, I'd love to have a big red easy button. It could autoconfigure MySQL, and write init scripts, configure deploy environments because apache conf files are too complicated to learn. Hell, it could even write my backend code and then commit it for me too!

I'm done with this ludicrous conversation. I've never seen such an ignorant-excusing entitled discussion in a "technical" community before. Downvote me because you can't follow steps or can't be bothered to learn how to use one of your most important development tools, I've lost interest.

Re: GitHub for Windows

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Post by revolutions »

erode wrote: post #107
Pewpewarrows wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MetroTwit is the only other app with a great new Metro UI that I've found.

There are several, they just don't get much attention these days.

Do you have a list or such? I'd love to use these. I've only seen MetroTwit, Zune, and this.

Re: GitHub for Windows

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Post by ncarlson »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #75
jasonkester wrote: post #60

Great news. I got flamed a month ago [1] for noting how difficult it is to get up and running on GitHub in the Windows world, where things like generating SSH keys aren't exactly part of the daily routine. Glad to hear that they were listening. [1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3871699

"Scary crypto stuff"? So you don't understand how PKI works and you're trying to use distributed source control? (I say this not to be a jerk, but because there aren't exactly a wealth of good alternatives given it is a distributed source control mechanism. PKI comes with the territory and an SSH key generation is part of that) GitHub doesn't take any more setup than a standard Git setup takes (well, outside of signi…

> "Scary crypto stuff"? So you don't understand how PKI works and you're trying to use distributed source control?

Is this an honest question, or are you alluding to the idea that someone who doesn't understand PKI should not use distributed source control?

Re: GitHub for Windows

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Post by Wilya »

pthread wrote: post #118

Funny how most git users out there (at least according to the git user's survery 2011 [1]) use Linux, yet github seems to go out of its way not to build a tool for its majority of users. I would also go as far as to extrapolate and state that most github users are Linux users (which is true for every programmer I know on github). Would it have been that hard to just use Qt and build a cross platform tool? Or is that…

Instead of building for the existing community, they are trying to expand the toolset to "seduce" other communities. Both are perfectly worthy goals. Just different.

Re: GitHub for Windows

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Post by eblackburn »

cool-RR wrote: post #16

I've been expecting this for months, and as I guessed, it's pretty disappointing. I think that SmartGit is a much better GUI for Git on Windows. Just the fact that it doesn't have keyboard shortcuts is a dealbreaker.

Good point. If I need the efficiency of a keyboard I will use the git bash cli. I suppose this is why they've bundled powershell git extensions.

It's a first iteration / release. I'm sure with more feedback they'll release more often. I'm unlikely to use this much - because I favour the cli - but I really hope this makes git more accesible to some Windows shops.

Re: GitHub for Windows

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Post by darklajid »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #115
cmelbye wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one thing to be scared of the deep inner-workings of OpenSSH (which truly can be scary). It's another thing to be "scared" of ssh-keygen, especially considering it's something that most competent developers will use when managing servers, deploying to Heroku, managing source, etc. "ssh-keygen -t rsa", set a passcode on it, upload the id_rsa.pub and you're done. Demonstrating a lack of understanding of that was w…

I'm surprised that the responses to this amount to, "I don't understand it, don't want to follow instructions and want a two-click GUI". Git isn't magic. To leverage it well, you need to be willing to get down and dirty with the CLI sooner or later. If you're unwilling to learn Git, don't use it. If you're a dev, source control is one of your tools. Learn it or find a tool that holds your hand more. I don't know how…

You're being down-voted into oblivion. You get even more insulting as you're falling down in your edit.

Mm disclaimer: I'm a windows dev by day. I introduced git into that shop I'm working at, the rogue 'I set it up, would you technical guys like to work with it' way. This happened 1.5 years earlier, today it's the blessed and only source control in play (ignoring one sad division having to deal with tfs.. Oh the agony).

So, I a) was the driving force pushing git and b) work in an environment where unix/linux knowledge is rare and ssh is a weird thing.

You are, again and again in this thread, missing the point and just plain insulting. Take it from this guy that types this message from his linux box and has a linux to windows box ratio of 5:1..: The git toolset sucks. It's crap for people that are used to windows only. You can mock people for them being uncomfortable with putty-gen (more likely, btw) or ssh-keygen, but the fact is that it's arcane and unintuitive to do that, if you have no clue what ssh is in the first place.

It doesn't help that git really doesn't _need_ ssh. It's just one (well, _the_ one) protocol you can use. I've coworkers that generated their key and didn't keep it afterwards. They thought it's kind of like a registration or that the client will keep this 'stuff' around somewhere. Most 'git doesn't work' errors are related to crappy windows clients being not helpful if the ssh key isn't available (ssh-agent/pageant not running or key not loaded).

SSH, in the company I work at, is 'that git stuff'. You consider that funny? Well.. Go ahead. My totally socially awkward inner geek might agree with you, but to the real world you're laughing about a weird kind of a maths joke right now. Most people don't get it, you're mocking things no one cares about and in the end you just look out of place.

Don't be that guy and show some understanding.

Re: GitHub for Windows

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Post by masnick »

tylermenezes wrote: post #41
cool-RR wrote: post #16

I've been expecting this for months, and as I guessed, it's pretty disappointing. I think that SmartGit is a much better GUI for Git on Windows. Just the fact that it doesn't have keyboard shortcuts is a dealbreaker.

Really? I don't like SmartGit at all? It's so flexible that it's unreasonably difficult to do even simple tasks. I'm glad Github decided on a core feature set, and made those very easy to access.

Agreed, SmartGit is a pain.

Like the Mac app, GitHub for Win doesn't support every single git feature but it makes the ones it does support intuitive and accessible. Props.

Re: GitHub for Windows

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Post by jsprinkles »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #121
andybak wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get really sick of this attitude. None of us want to understand every single domain of knowledge from set theory or quantum physics up to cosmology or social psychology. I personally have been forced to learn more low-level Unixy things than I ever wanted to. I want to write simple and elegant front and back end code quickly so I can spend my spare time honing UX and other human-facing aspects of my work. I resent…

You can't follow 3 step-by-step instructions, insult me by implying I'm flaming and then drudge up completely unrelated tools in a discussion about ssh-keygen? What do you people want? Seriously? Yes, I'd love to have a big red easy button. It could autoconfigure MySQL, and write init scripts, configure deploy environments because apache conf files are too complicated to learn. Hell, it could even write my backend co…

Nobody in this thread implied that you are flaming, nor intended to insult you; the person you are responding to is not the person you originally responded to, and he is commenting about people in other threads flaming him. I resent having to explain this to you.

What the hell are you so angry about, seriously? People have less expertise than you, and that makes you upset?

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