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Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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So you record people without consent and pinky swear that your software will “unrecord” after the fact? I don’t know if you can just hand wave that away… ship has probably sailed on anyone enforcing these kinds of laws I guess, good luck

Yeah, that seems like exactly the sort of shenanigans that would get certain kinds of judges extremely unhappy.

It's likely more nuanced than that.

I'm reminded of how I felt it was unfair that the hotword detector for assistants was discussed as "recording", but it's really just parsing a byte stream, never storing it.

Voice ID systems I'm familiar with work on a similar premise.

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

#52

Any data privacy experts here? Could someone explain how data encryption and decryption work here? https://www.limitless.ai/#privacy

Confidential Cloud is similar to end-to-end encryption, but with the added benefit of letting your personalized AI work for you even when you aren’t using the app. You control who can decrypt your data Your employer, we as software providers, and the government cannot decrypt your data without your permission, even with a subpoena to do so. Your data is anonymized There is an initial mapping from your application req…

There is no way to anonymize transcripts where I and others refer to me by name and reference uniquely identifiable information. What happens when the AI provider is served with a warrant or subpoena for transcripts mentioning MacsHeadroom in the 30 day window?

Your "anonymization" does nothing. You have major egg on your face right now.

The only remotely anonymous version of a service like this involves a private LLM endpoint.

I have Mixtral 8x22B and CommandR+ running on my home LLM sever. How can I use Limitless without handing my "anonymized" (but NOT actually anonymized in any way shape or form) PII over to a third party who retains it for at least 30 days (or longer if someone with a badge or gavel asks)?

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

#53

Any data privacy experts here? Could someone explain how data encryption and decryption work here? https://www.limitless.ai/#privacy

Confidential Cloud is similar to end-to-end encryption, but with the added benefit of letting your personalized AI work for you even when you aren’t using the app. You control who can decrypt your data Your employer, we as software providers, and the government cannot decrypt your data without your permission, even with a subpoena to do so. Your data is anonymized There is an initial mapping from your application req…

Limitless is encrypting at rest, not using end-to-end encryption.

E2EE suggests that only the user (or at least only people the user knows about in the case of e.g. group chats) is able to see/access the decrypted data, which is false. Limitless does not decrypt data on the client using a key only the user has access to, it decrypts the data on the server (in this case using AWS KMS) and sends it to the client. Even if we remove just decrypting everyone’s data out of the equation using AWS KMS (since the user does not control the key), you could trivially write a Cloudflare Worker (since you use Cloudflare on your API subdomain) that simply sends the (unencrypted) API response along with the email from the Supabase JWT used in the header to a server that accumulates everyone’s recording names, transcripts, generated notes and generated summaries. If someone gained access to your Cloudflare account they could also do this. You’re advertising Limitless as if you aren’t able to see people’s transcripts even if you wanted to, which is false. Even your employer can if they TLS MitM you with their own TLS certificates, which is not rare. On the other hand, Signal cannot see your data unless they modify client code, nor can your employer unless they install a modified Signal client on your device or install spyware on your device, which is reading decrypted data from memory. This is what separates encrypting at rest and E2EE (which you say your solution is just as secure as and is better than) for the end user and it feels like false advertising. Limitless, your employer and a potential hacker can all read your data, at the minimum while you’re using Limitless.

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

#54

As is the case with just about all tech service offerings these days, whether they charge you or not, my first question is: How much of the info it extracts from me to provide me with this service is it going to hoard and then resell to others for the sake of "improving user experience" or some other bullshit justification for extracting more money. The ugly thing is that this vast privacy invasion and resell has bec…

Especially disappointing given that before they renamed the company they were built on the idea that everything was stored locally. Seems like a pivot solely to gain from the AI hype cycle.

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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I really wish someone would make a pendant like this which is focussed on local-only use. It could connect to a mobile app or computer for transcription and summarisation, but using local models or an API key that the use chooses. I would pay serious money for a device high quality that did this (>$500) if it was backed by open-source platform/infrastructure for processing the managing the audio. Even better if it wa…

Yes, a local-only always-on recorder/transcriber would be a killer product. Combine with a local LLM for summarization, and a simple search engine. But there's no way in hell I'm paying a subscription for this, or letting some 3rd party have this data. It doesn't seem like this should actually be that difficult to build an open-source version of, modulo battery-life concerns.

> Yes, a local-only always-on recorder/transcriber would be a killer product.

That's exactly what this was (Rewind) before they renamed the company and pivoted to AI.

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

#57

(I'm the co-founder & CEO of Limitless) We are so honored this hit the front page of HN! Here's the video announcement: https://twitter.com/dsiroker/status/1779857843895599383 And timestamps to moments in the video you might be interested in: 0:06 Reveal 0:48 Why Limitless? 1:39 Demo 3:05 Pendant 4:27 Privacy 5:23 Confidential Cloud 6:36 Rewind 7:12 Roadmap 9:25 Vision

Do you plan to add support for microsoft calendars and email? I have gmail but none of my work stuff is in there so I can't really make great use of this :(

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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As is the case with just about all tech service offerings these days, whether they charge you or not, my first question is: How much of the info it extracts from me to provide me with this service is it going to hoard and then resell to others for the sake of "improving user experience" or some other bullshit justification for extracting more money. The ugly thing is that this vast privacy invasion and resell has bec…

They do make some effort to push the “confidential cloud” aspect of their product, where the AI is supposed to somehow operate on your encrypted data, but these days I only believe it when I see the white paper. It is unfortunately quite common in our industry is to posture as more security-conscious and privacy-focused than you actually are.

When I saw them compare it to E2EE, since that’s at least a specific thing that can’t really be misinterpreted, I thought they were serious, but turns out it’s not at all[1] and they are advertising themselves as being far more private and secure than they actually are. Considering their investor list[2], maybe this is more common than we realise?

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40044348

[2]: https://www.rewind.ai/about#:~:text=Our%20investors

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