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AI made these movies sharper – critics say it ruined them

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Re: AI made these movies sharper – critics say it ruined them

#31

AI will be applied to every possible thing it can be.

Maybe it can do something about the muffled, mumbled dialog in modern productions.

Park Road Post used it to clean up the sound in the Beatles Get Back videos. I don't know the details, and I haven't seen the original or Get Back, but apparently the sound in the original was terrible. They used 'AI' to do things like pick out George's (or whoever it was) voice from the rest so they could EQ it separately

Re: AI made these movies sharper – critics say it ruined them

#32

My biggest gripe with these AI film enhancements is that they are adding information that was never there. You're no longer watching the original film. You no longer have a sense of how contemporary film equipment worked, what its limitations were, how the director dealt with those limitations, etc.

> how contemporary film equipment worked, what its limitations were, how the director dealt with those limitations, etc.

Non-film buffs, i.e. most viewers, don't care about this.

Re: AI made these movies sharper – critics say it ruined them

#33

Wow, that tweet they link to with a super punched in shot looks really really bad! Hard to believe Cameron thought this looked better than just a normal 4k transfer, yikes. Was really looking forward to a UHD release of The Abyss but now I'm not so sure... https://twitter.com/RazorwireRyan/status/1735753526167347232

> Hard to believe Cameron thought this looked better

I doubt he even looked, he's too busy with his blue monkeys these days. Most likely someone duped him on taking on the AI upscaling and he signed off on it without looking and the movie studio just shipped the output without QA to save time and money, because they're going to streaming not in cinemas.

Re: AI made these movies sharper – critics say it ruined them

#34
The issue I see with the screenshots from the article is that it changed the contrast and overall feel of the scene.

I think there’s plenty of opportunity to exchange old videos, but I think it requires some human touch or deeper understanding of the movie to maintain its message.

The light and contrast and color is made a certain way on purpose, usually to convert whatever the scene is meant to convey. You can’t just mess with those things just so you add details.

Re: AI made these movies sharper – critics say it ruined them

#35
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looks like it made everything darker

didn't you notice that most movies and series in the last 5 years have been dark to the point of not even being able to to notice which eye color people have?

not enough to ruin all the newly produced stuff, they also need to ruin all the old stuff now...

Re: AI made these movies sharper – critics say it ruined them

#37

Wow, that tweet they link to with a super punched in shot looks really really bad! Hard to believe Cameron thought this looked better than just a normal 4k transfer, yikes. Was really looking forward to a UHD release of The Abyss but now I'm not so sure... https://twitter.com/RazorwireRyan/status/1735753526167347232

The one on the left looks normal.

The one on the right looks like you ran an edge-directed upscaler on it. Those things have distinct artifacts, and sometimes it looks like all curves turn into snakes. Or it can make new diagonal curves out of random noise.

Not knocking edge-directed upscalers though, they can work in real time and are very good for line-art graphics. You can even inject them into games that have never had that feature before.

Re: AI made these movies sharper – critics say it ruined them

#38

Critics will always be critical.

Agree. Though today it's sharper, tomorrow you ask for the plot to be changed or for everyone to be wearing spinny hats. At least there's a shared experience now. If people find this outrageous, just wait until tomorrow. Better to accept the infinite progress unfolding before us than to spend another moment angry or enraged. All I ask for is choice.

Or perhaps removing all the cigarettes?

On second thought, that could be hilarious. It would make all the smokers just look like very thoughtful people constantly bringing their fingers to their lips.

Re: AI made these movies sharper – critics say it ruined them

#39

My biggest gripe with these AI film enhancements is that they are adding information that was never there. You're no longer watching the original film. You no longer have a sense of how contemporary film equipment worked, what its limitations were, how the director dealt with those limitations, etc.

Where would you draw the line though? What is acceptable non-AI remastering? I'm 99% confident that similar issues were raised with e.g. recolored films, HD upscales, etc.

I draw the line at edits that consider semiotic meaning. Edits are acceptable if they apply globally (e.g. color correction to compensate for faded negatives), or if they apply locally based on purely geometric considerations (e.g. sharpening based on edge detection), but not if they try to decide what some aspect of the image signifies (e.g. red eye removal, which requires guessing which pixels are supposed to represent an eye). AI makes no distinction between geometric and semiotic meaning, so AI edits are never acceptable.

Re: AI made these movies sharper – critics say it ruined them

#40

My biggest gripe with these AI film enhancements is that they are adding information that was never there. You're no longer watching the original film. You no longer have a sense of how contemporary film equipment worked, what its limitations were, how the director dealt with those limitations, etc.

Where would you draw the line though? What is acceptable non-AI remastering? I'm 99% confident that similar issues were raised with e.g. recolored films, HD upscales, etc.

Yes, back in the mid-late 80s Turner Entertainment colorized a huge number of old films in their vaults to show on cable movie channels. It was almost universally panned. It was seen at first as a way to give mediocre old films with known stars a brief revival, but then Turner started to colorize classic, multi-award-winning films like The Asphalt Jungle and the whole idea was dismissed as a meretricious money-grab.
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