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Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Sigh, it is always supply and demand. If demand is higher than supply, prices rise. It is a universal law of economics that people pretend doesn't apply to housing. In these towns, do you have evidence demand is stable and yet prices rise? https://scott-wiener.medium.com/yes-supply-demand-apply-to-h...

Adam Smith would disagree.

Thanks for posting relevant data. I have changed my stance entirely.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Penalizing landlords would lead to greater shortages and mass homelessness of would be renters. The houses simply would not be built. You can't have a right to housing without taking away the right to property. Renters are a Group that are already unprofitable to lend to, so banks would reject most and hike rates higher for the rest. Your proposal only makes sense if landlords provide no service, but this isnt true.…

I'm sorry, but selling the landlord's literal rent seeking as a value to anyone but themselves is just blatant antisocial shilling.

Landlords do provide value. The issue is that underlying asset they are renting is so massively and insanely over valued. If you could get housing for 10% of income, even 50% margin on top of that might make sense in many cases. As landlord would provide some value, like not needing to maintainenance and not needing to transact with property when moving.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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The broader problem is lack of housing that can be afforded by the non-wealthy, which is caused in significant part by zoning laws. If more housing was available, the increased supply would better match the demand.

It's also caused by the idea that housing should be an asset to make someone else money, rather than solely a place in which a person/family can live. This leads to the AirBnB culture, the landlord culture, and compounds inequality whilst driving unaffordability. I'm sure the idea is abhorrent to the USA, but perhaps removing incentives to be a landlord at every step should be considered... mortgages should be puniti…

>It's also caused by the idea that housing should be an asset to make someone else money, rather than solely a place in which a person/family can live.

Same argument for food, basic clothing, healthcare, education, transportation, etc. right? There is an argument to be made for communism, but it's not got a great-looking track record.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Only in certain regimes, like when labor competition is high. The challenge is houses are the product of both capital and labor, so even if real capital returns are negative, you get stuck with high prices for construction.

Nonsense. Capital simply regulates labor competition to be low. Whether it's by increasing migration of cheap labor, policing worker organizing, company towns, regressive taxes, or many other strategies. There was one single period in history when this changed for a brief moment and capital learned its lesson to always use its power to keep the workers down. It has done so ever since.

I think it is more accurate to say that there is simply a larger supply of labor than demand for much of history, resulting in relatively lower wages, and favoring capital holders.

You see much higher wages in sectors where demand for workers outstrips supply. AI architects and neurosurgeons don't need labor organization to capture high salaries.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Penalizing landlords would lead to greater shortages and mass homelessness of would be renters. The houses simply would not be built. You can't have a right to housing without taking away the right to property. Renters are a Group that are already unprofitable to lend to, so banks would reject most and hike rates higher for the rest. Your proposal only makes sense if landlords provide no service, but this isnt true.…

You should check out what China did about landlords in the 20th century! It turns out that a lot of what you’re suggesting isn’t nearly as true as you might think. However there solution was a bit “break some eggs to make an omelet” but it seems like it worked out pretty well.

Hmm, yes, the Great Chinese Famine: you say "break some eggs", Wikipedia says "one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history".

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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post #104

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I'm sorry, but selling the landlord's literal rent seeking as a value to anyone but themselves is just blatant antisocial shilling.

Landlords do provide value. The issue is that underlying asset they are renting is so massively and insanely over valued. If you could get housing for 10% of income, even 50% margin on top of that might make sense in many cases. As landlord would provide some value, like not needing to maintainenance and not needing to transact with property when moving.

Exactly. The main service/value a landlord provides is converting a massive down payment into a monthly payment and providing credibility to the bank.

Maintenance is largely ancillary.

Im a landlord. Maintenance is only like 2hrs of my labor per month. However, the unit purchase represents about 10,000 hours of my labor. The renter gets to pay maybe 40 hours of worth of labor per month.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Housing theory of everything[0] strikes again. Situation: Housing demand outstrips housing supply. First order effect: housing prices go up Second order effect: your FBI agents are now experiencing financial instability and worries Third order effect: your FBI agents are now more susceptible to bribes [0] https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-every...

The FBI has a long history of being a bad actor...

Everyone does over a long enough timespan

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Then why are rents going up drastically all over texas, even in small towns where damn near anything can be built?

Never mind the small towns. Houston has no zoning laws at all, yet: https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/housing/2023/07/...

Houston has covenants which basically pick up the role of zoning laws. Famously they have massive parking minimums which prevents densifying.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Penalizing landlords would lead to greater shortages and mass homelessness of would be renters. The houses simply would not be built. You can't have a right to housing without taking away the right to property. Renters are a Group that are already unprofitable to lend to, so banks would reject most and hike rates higher for the rest. Your proposal only makes sense if landlords provide no service, but this isnt true.…

You should check out what China did about landlords in the 20th century! It turns out that a lot of what you’re suggesting isn’t nearly as true as you might think. However there solution was a bit “break some eggs to make an omelet” but it seems like it worked out pretty well.

The great leap forward sure worked out well lmao. China's success came after they gave up on communism and embraced property rights and free markets.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Housing theory of everything[0] strikes again. Situation: Housing demand outstrips housing supply. First order effect: housing prices go up Second order effect: your FBI agents are now experiencing financial instability and worries Third order effect: your FBI agents are now more susceptible to bribes [0] https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-every...

It’s also worth noting where the money is going. It isn’t evaporating into the air. Everyone talks about increasing numbers of parents helping their adult children from the angle of a moral failure by the children. Why doesn’t anyone stop to wonder why so many older people have so much money in the first place?

Older people have more money because they 1) Lived longer to accumulate wealth. 2) Housing was cheaper relative their income 30 years ago.

It's also worth noting that 50% of homeless people are over 50 [1]

[1] https://www.governing.com/urban/the-nations-homeless-populat...

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