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Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by [deleted] »

ehed wrote: post #4
orta wrote: post #3

Summary: Dan used to listen to podcasts daily, used to get a real feel for the people he was listening too. So he thinks it's a bit of a shame they can't even do a "one last show." But he wishes all the best. I love listening to 5by5 episodes. Mainly the siracusa one, and at some point I'll check out Grubers new podcast. My thoughts are that losing Dan from the show is a negative, he's a great speaker with a soothing…

It's really going to be a different show now. But John clearly has a completely refreshed voice in the new series, it seems like the move is going to be a net gain for everyone. Many others have pointed out that TTS on 5by5 has not been the same recently. I look forward to listening to the new TTS even though it won't be the same.

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Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by Tloewald »

f1nch3r wrote: post #9
mchanson wrote: post #8

Dan seems conflicted over how it went down, but I'm left feeling this statement shows he is quite angry with John and begrudges how John handled things (no last show and re-using the show name). I disagree this is a 'classy' statement (because of the criticism of his ex-co-host). I think its trying to be a straightforward telling of Dan's perspective without him being too emotional. I think its pretty good for that.…

You can criticize and remain classy. I think Dan did that in this statement.

I agree, and if it's true that John took the show's name without even giving Dan advance notice let alone asking permission, then I'm disappointed. I'm curious in general about mule's split from Dan. I loved the original "fuck you, pay me" but never got into "let's make mistakes" and was surprised that they split off 5by5 (and now appear to be poaching) but I'd like to hear the other side...

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by chmars »

'My friend John Gruber' etc. without any restriction – I'm very happy to hear that at least Dan Benjamin still sees John Gruber as a friend.

Dan Benjamin has really class, even in a situation that can't be easy for him.

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by rkudeshi »

Summary for anyone who can't listen:

* Dan says John emailed him and just said it was time to move on and try something new. Dan says he has total respect and understanding for that.

* Dan says he thought if they weren't doing the show anymore, they would retire it together. Surprised and disappointed that John's doing the show on his own and re-using the name.

* Dan wishes they could have done one last episode to reminisce (120 previous episodes) and to thank the fans.

* Dan encourages fans to listen to the new show at muleradio.net.

* No other sordid details, just some personal anecdotes.

I've never listened to any 5by5 podcasts on 5by5, but Dan Benjamin comes across in this audio clip as a total class act.

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by gaving »

miketucker wrote: post #7

Striking juxtaposition of this statement to the "new" Talk Show, ( http://muleradio.net/thetalkshow/1/ ) in which Gruber makes zero mention of Dan or his decision to move on, and instead chooses to start things off talking about.. baseball.

I don't think that's fair since neither party had said anything about the split before that went live.

Now that Dan's expressed his thoughts, I wonder if John will do the same.

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by ehed »

chmars wrote: post #10
ZanderEarth32 wrote: post #6

Not exactly the drama I think everyone was looking for, but I never expected any reaction other than this from Dan. Whether this is the 100% complete truth, we'll never know and we shouldn't care. Time to move on folks, nothing else to see here.

John Gruber is free to tell his side of the story. Anyway, I agree with you that is is time to move. As a listener, I am mainly happy that more and more successful podcast networks appear in the US and elsewhere.

I posted this in the thread from Friday, but think it's worth mentioning again - if you listen to the last few minutes, starting with where Dan mentions the t-shirts, it seems like John was offended by the jokes made at his expense (e.g. not wearing a shirt). Maybe it was the kind of thing that had been accumulating, as I know Dan has made offhand cracks in the past, and perhaps this was the last straw. I believe John felt disrespected/unappreciated, for the last time it seems.

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by thomasjoulin »

gaving wrote: post #16
miketucker wrote: post #7

Striking juxtaposition of this statement to the "new" Talk Show, ( http://muleradio.net/thetalkshow/1/ ) in which Gruber makes zero mention of Dan or his decision to move on, and instead chooses to start things off talking about.. baseball.

I don't think that's fair since neither party had said anything about the split before that went live. Now that Dan's expressed his thoughts, I wonder if John will do the same.

Nonetheless Gruber comes out as a jerk... If it was indeed his decision, he should have handled it a little better with Benjamin (telling him sooner, organizing a last show, not reusing the TTS name on mule...), and even if one can argue that he doesn't owe the listener anything, an explanation in the introduction of the new show would have made a good segue...
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