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Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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The broader problem is lack of housing that can be afforded by the non-wealthy, which is caused in significant part by zoning laws. If more housing was available, the increased supply would better match the demand.

It's also caused by the idea that housing should be an asset to make someone else money, rather than solely a place in which a person/family can live. This leads to the AirBnB culture, the landlord culture, and compounds inequality whilst driving unaffordability. I'm sure the idea is abhorrent to the USA, but perhaps removing incentives to be a landlord at every step should be considered... mortgages should be puniti…

Penalizing landlords would lead to greater shortages and mass homelessness of would be renters. The houses simply would not be built.

You can't have a right to housing without taking away the right to property.

Renters are a Group that are already unprofitable to lend to, so banks would reject most and hike rates higher for the rest.

Your proposal only makes sense if landlords provide no service, but this isnt true. Just like how a bank makes a % interest for taking risk and providing capital that owners wont, landlords do the same thing. Landlords get paid a profit to take on risk and long term liability (to the bank), and again provide capital.

In short, banks loan cash to landlords because they are more credit worthy and take on liability. They in tern loan a home to renters, who have worse credit and much less liability.

It is all about paying a premium for others to take financial risk.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Yes the gs pay scale also means these agencies use more contract workers who end up costing way way more. It's a dual world that exists

You’re telling me that an organization that has zero incentive to be efficient with money is being penny wise and pound foolish? This is the same problem with violent and criminal cops - the lawsuits against the department are paid by taxpayers, not the offenders. The people who make these bad decisions aren’t wasting their own money - they’re wasting the money taken from you and I by force. They have no incentive to…

From what I've seen, this dichotomy is not too dissimilar from how private corporations will skimp on employee pay (SG&A/OpEx) while firing the money gun at consulting/contracting companies (CapEx) or doling out impressive offers for new hires on strategic projects. Different buckets of (tax-payer) money.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Housing theory of everything[0] strikes again. Situation: Housing demand outstrips housing supply. First order effect: housing prices go up Second order effect: your FBI agents are now experiencing financial instability and worries Third order effect: your FBI agents are now more susceptible to bribes [0] https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-every...

Fourth order effect: hiring more FBI agents to monitor the Third Orders. Fifth order effect: hiring more FBI agents to monitor the Fourth Orders. Sixth order effect: Eventually unemployment will be solved!

You are describing the TSA!

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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The $150K number for a family of 4 sounds about right, but $100K for one person in NYC seems pretty far off. I have a lot of friends living in desirable neighborhoods making half that. (The disconnect here is always around expectations: it will invariably be revealed that this includes a 1/2BR with no roommates within walking distance of the person’s workplace, when in reality much of this city has roommates and uses…

I don't think it's unfair to expect adults to be able to afford a 1 bedroom with no roommates

For big cities I disagree, was it ever standard for single people to be able to afford 1 bedroom?

People were able to afford places, but being single for majority of adult life is semi-new trend. Especially in very dense cities.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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It's also caused by the idea that housing should be an asset to make someone else money, rather than solely a place in which a person/family can live. This leads to the AirBnB culture, the landlord culture, and compounds inequality whilst driving unaffordability. I'm sure the idea is abhorrent to the USA, but perhaps removing incentives to be a landlord at every step should be considered... mortgages should be puniti…

To be honest, the opposite is also bad. Communist Poland had no landlords, all housing was built either by the state or by the people who wanted to live there, and apartments were basically impossible to get. If private parties have no incentives or possibilities to build, you're left with government housing, and governments are prone to overpaying and underdelivering. The only way to ensure a right to food and shelt…

If you look at home ownership data across Europe, the highest home ownership is in Eastern Europe, now... one can argue that culture has something to do with it but the numbers don't lie. I don't care what you call it capital/commune but if people can't afford homes, I don't think they care. The story doesn't matter if the effects are there.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/246355/home-ownership-ra...

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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It's also caused by the idea that housing should be an asset to make someone else money, rather than solely a place in which a person/family can live. This leads to the AirBnB culture, the landlord culture, and compounds inequality whilst driving unaffordability. I'm sure the idea is abhorrent to the USA, but perhaps removing incentives to be a landlord at every step should be considered... mortgages should be puniti…

To be honest, the opposite is also bad. Communist Poland had no landlords, all housing was built either by the state or by the people who wanted to live there, and apartments were basically impossible to get. If private parties have no incentives or possibilities to build, you're left with government housing, and governments are prone to overpaying and underdelivering. The only way to ensure a right to food and shelt…

Sorry, but housing shortages were common actually due to lack of supply as thousands of people were moving from rural areas to the cities.

It was not caused by lack of will to build houses, but lack of construction capacity. Over time, the problem lessened and ultimately by late 70s it was almost unheard of to find a homeless person in a city. Even people with serious problems like alcoholism were housed almost always.

Unfortunately this resulted in lots of gray cheap blocks of flats. Looks drab. Over time also got improved.

Homeless people are around again and number is on the rise, shortage is around again. Very expensive "apartments" that are tinier and worse made than communist housing are sold for barely attainable sums now. They just look better on the outside.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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In NYC, you typically need to earn 40x the monthly rent in annual income to not need a guarantor. 73k / 40 = $1825/month in rent. The median 1 bedroom apartment in NYC is $3,263 according to Zillow https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/new-york...

The issue I see with comparing median salary to median rent for a one bedroom is that tons of people (especially young folks just starting out) want to live in desirable places and are willing to share living costs in order to do so. So even if you could magically reset a desirable locality to have comparable median rent and salary, very quickly rent would exceed salary as people that really can’t afford it move anyw…

It's also a problem because the median tells you nothing about who goes without. For that you need to know the distribution. Bottom 5% of housing cost vs bottom 5% household income is more informative.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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I believe their point was that FBI agents struggling to cover housing are more susceptible to external payments.

That’s true for all government employees and elected officials. For Congress specifically, I’m in favor of raising salaries to $1M/year while simultaneously taking a zero tolerance policy on all lobbyist funded excursions. That’ll attract plenty of honest folks as the base salary would be more than enough.

You'd have to ban all private sector employment, book deals, and basically any other means of money transfer. It's impossible.

The only way to stop corruption is to make the incentive structure altogether unattractive. Singapore, for example, has done a world class job doing so and has one of the lowest corruption rates in the world.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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Inflation has been a killer. Someone I know wants to move out, but her old apartment went from $750/mo to $1250/mo in just a few years. That’s almost double. It might sound like an outlier, but I’m not sure there’s even anything sub-$1k anymore, and this is Missouri we’re talking about. As for the rest of the country, $200k is the new $100k. It’s kind of shocking because I remember a coworker telling me how sweet it…

Capitalism may be the cause of some problems, but not inflation. Inflation isn't caused by free markets or the invisible hand, but by public policy and an oversupply of money being created by the state.

Re: Many FBI agents are struggling to make ends meet. Housing costs are to blame

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That is broader problem to solve, not taking account any civil infrastructure the houses will be bought by corporate rent company and renters will be charged "fair price" - pretty same as now (not long ago the was article with discussion about rent price fixing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39575803 )

The root cause is the state or local govt preventing new housing. If there were enough housing, rent fixing wouldn't even make a dent.

That may be one cause, in some towns and cities, but it is far from universal. For one thing, demand growth has accelerated in many places, so building homes at a historic rate went from sufficient to meet to demand, to insufficient. You have flippers taking low-priced homes off the market, and you have AirBnb'ers taking other homes off the market (or not selling theirs when they move). There are higher expectations of what a house should contain (sq ft, # of bathrooms, closet/garage size, quality of fixtures) so lots of housing stock technically exists but is not really part of the supply for most buyers.
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