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I continue to no longer attend vintage computer festivals

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Re: I continue to no longer attend vintage computer festivals

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Post by philpem »

soraminazuki wrote: post #191
justin66 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the outcome of that was that Jason opted to berate and belittle me. If when communicating with him you trivialized the loss of a couple dozen large containers of historical IEEE-related documents that he saved, packed up and rented a truck to deliver as "just a box of magazines," I bet he did berate you.

It might've been worse than "just a box of magazines." Here's one not so subtly comparing it to garbage. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40021590

OP was talking about the boxes, I was saying why would you throw good boxes away?

Re: I continue to no longer attend vintage computer festivals

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Post by eschaton »

tptacek wrote: post #59
tdeck wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting rid of books is part of running a library, I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of thing is part of running a museum or similar organization. That said, there are so many collectors out there I feel it would be better to at least try to find a home, even if it means selling them. It's easy for me to say that because I don't have to actually do it.

I mean, OK, sure, but if you're the museum that discards this material as a matter of course, well, now you know why Jason Scott is going to spend the next several years shredding your reputation online, right? It's not the final battle between good and evil. He's clear up front what the issue is. You can care what he has to say or not. The next museum or library will, I assume, be more careful.

And you can also care whether what he says is actually accurate.

Re: I continue to no longer attend vintage computer festivals

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Post by lmpdev »

weregiraffe wrote: post #196
lmpdev wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I data hoard I have friends who are Serbian living elsewhere and are about to start a family They have no Serbian children’s media afaik (and it’s not exactly easy to find) I found ~200GB of Serbian dubbed children’s media someone painstakingly digitised on /t/ I’m keeping it for when they eventually have those kids Unless shown otherwise, assume nothing is archived correctly, completely or at all

What will happen to your hoard after you are gone?

Hopefully copyright on most of it lapses so I can freely upload to Archive.org or similar

Re: I continue to no longer attend vintage computer festivals

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Post by amichlin »

xoa wrote: post #177
amichlin wrote: post #160

Again, former VCFederation (Mid Atlantic and National) volunteer here. I was only a volunteer when this donation came in and was part of the team that made sure this donation got a good home later on. No one involved at either end of this is still actively involved with VCF, so the OP is taking an organization task to because of a lack of institutional knowledge. I offered to privately explain what really happened on…

> Again, former VCFederation (Mid Atlantic and National) volunteer here. I was only a volunteer when this donation came in and was part of the team that made sure this donation got a good home later on. No one involved at either end of this is still actively involved with VCF, so the OP is taking an organization task to because of a lack of institutional knowledge. I offered to privately explain what really happened…

No, I said the post was false. I never said that he was lying, but I will state for the record that he was given misinformation due to lack of institutional knowledge (I am no longer active in the institution for entirely other reasons) . I offered to privately fill him on the real story (at least as I knew it from first hand knowledge) and he chose to double down, so here we are.

I will also add, one last time, when he was dropping it off plenty of other people were dropping off at the same time. We did the best we could with the manpower we had, but nothing was thrown away and a everything was preserved to the best of our abilities. So the only sin we might be guilty of is not keeping paper in the tubs. I'm not sure what good paper in tubs does anyone, though. Libraries seem like a much better solution and we built one, as I already stated. Send some money to the VCFederation and they might help to climate control it. If you are local, volunteer.

Re: I continue to no longer attend vintage computer festivals

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Post by k_roy »

amichlin wrote: post #204
xoa wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Again, former VCFederation (Mid Atlantic and National) volunteer here. I was only a volunteer when this donation came in and was part of the team that made sure this donation got a good home later on. No one involved at either end of this is still actively involved with VCF, so the OP is taking an organization task to because of a lack of institutional knowledge. I offered to privately explain what really happened…

No, I said the post was false. I never said that he was lying, but I will state for the record that he was given misinformation due to lack of institutional knowledge (I am no longer active in the institution for entirely other reasons) . I offered to privately fill him on the real story (at least as I knew it from first hand knowledge) and he chose to double down, so here we are. I will also add, one last time, when…

> I never said that he was lying

but also

> Nothing in this blog post is factual.

Interesting take....

Re: I continue to no longer attend vintage computer festivals

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Post by cjs »

amichlin wrote: post #160

Again, former VCFederation (Mid Atlantic and National) volunteer here. I was only a volunteer when this donation came in and was part of the team that made sure this donation got a good home later on. No one involved at either end of this is still actively involved with VCF, so the OP is taking an organization task to because of a lack of institutional knowledge. I offered to privately explain what really happened on…

> Paper that was needed to be archived was archived.

That's good to hear. So where might we find the archived versions of that materials in that donation?

Re: I continue to no longer attend vintage computer festivals

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Post by Aeolun »

eschaton wrote: post #202
tptacek wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, OK, sure, but if you're the museum that discards this material as a matter of course, well, now you know why Jason Scott is going to spend the next several years shredding your reputation online, right? It's not the final battle between good and evil. He's clear up front what the issue is. You can care what he has to say or not. The next museum or library will, I assume, be more careful.

And you can also care whether what he says is actually accurate.

Honestly, if I trust someone, and they tell me something as ambiguous as “they told me they threw them out”, it doesn’t leave a lot of room for doubt. That’s not a very complex story that someone can misremember.

Re: I continue to no longer attend vintage computer festivals

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Post by amichlin »

glimshe wrote: post #129
haspok wrote: post #128

Did they ask for this donation? If not, they probably should have refused this at the start, instead of accepting it and then throwing away. But I don't think they did the wrong thing by throwing old magazines away - if this was the case, everyone would just dump all their old stuff on them, basically as if they were a garbage dump. Just because you think something is valuable it doesn't mean it is - to prove it, jus…

When you run a vintage computing festival, and accept historical material from one of the most prominent conservationists of computer artifacts alive, there is absolutely no excuse for throwing "old magazines" away. These guys were not goodwill accepting random trinkets from random people. Jason Scott is basically saying "I discovered they are hacks, and I will not support hacks"

Except nothing was thrown away.

Re: I continue to no longer attend vintage computer festivals

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Post by Simon_ORourke »

jimmydddd wrote: post #154
Simon_ORourke wrote: post #134

This is a real storm in a hissy teacup stuff. One guy's coveted old computer magazines is another guy's paper recycling. Maybe the author should have first checked to see if these were any use better elsewhere.

I know nothing about this stuff and have never had the desire to "collect" anything. But it seems like part of the problem is that the author received these materials from other folks who trusted him to find a good home for them on. So he feels a sense of responsibility to the folks who gave him the stuff.

> who trusted him to find a good home for them on.

Guess he messed them around on that one so.

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