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Biden Announces $7.4B in Student Debt Cancellation for 277,000 Americans

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Re: Biden Announces $7.4B in Student Debt Cancellation for 277,000 Americans

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The issue is that universities are a huge block of democratic support. If you allow people to default on student loans, then banks are going to be much more hesitant to issue them. That, in turn, will reduce universities' revenues. Furthermore, the entire premise of federal student loans is that they're not technically spending. Of course if they allow these loads to be defaulted, then this is ultimately a spending p…

The easiest solution here is to compare data to countries that allow student loan defaults. AFAIK this is most of countries. There should be good data if the issue is real, or hypothetical, or political lobby based.

Cross-country comparisons like that tend to be hard. It's hard to isolate whether the metrics you're analyzing are because student loan defaults aren't allowed, because of the student selection pressure from an oversized military, because of a culture which views responsibilities and cohesiveness differently, because of secondary funding options, ....

There are many such factors, all of which plausibly matter as much as loan defaults, and since the vast majority of the country you'd like to compare to will tend to be homogeneous with respect to those confounders you often can't find many (if any) actual alternatives to compare to. Statistical approaches to appropriately tease out signal from noise in the larger data set are easy to get wrong, even if you get lucky and actually have comparable data in the first place (e.g., including trade schools or not in the metrics, similarly with associate degrees, counting "in-progress" loans with different payment timelines (treating a truncation bias differently), ...).

Re: Biden Announces $7.4B in Student Debt Cancellation for 277,000 Americans

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Exactly where is my reimbursement. I was not super wealthy but I prioritized my kids college education and made sure to pay for it to avoid them having to go into debt over it. This produced a, not insignificant hardship, to the family but it was worth it. How do I apply for some of this money? Is this more of the lazy people get free stuff and responsible people who contribute to society gets screwed again? People w…

>you could have scraped together a few thousand dollars and gone to Germany Perfect solution, US citizens should burden the German taxpayer to pay for their education, instead of their own country. /s

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Re: Biden Announces $7.4B in Student Debt Cancellation for 277,000 Americans

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...helping people seems like a good thing?

Helping some people who took loans we all paid for.

That is ok. Those same people will now have more money to spend on the businesses you are building.

Your comment goes against your original point. You went from saying that it is politicians trying to benefit, to saying that you are upset that you have to support your fellow humans. Which is it?

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Of course it does. The responsible thing is to only go to a college that you can afford.

So only the wealthy get to receive higher education. Good one! I know this is HN but this take goes beyond the typical level of unhinged. Honestly it seems like straight up trolling. Someone who received public loans to attend university and who spent 10, 20, or 25 years paying them off at which point the rest was cancelled isn't really irresponsible.

If you think that stating that you should not go to a college that you can't afford is "beyond the typical level of unhinged," you must be from a very sheltered corner of the internet. It strikes me as a very common sense and mainstream opinion indeed.

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That story seems like a smokescreen for a straightforward economic conflict: people with college degrees that don’t lead to valuable jobs want the government to take public money and give it to them. They vote for the guy who promises to do that. Voters without college degrees—who will pay for that policy one way or the other, either directly or through inflation—vote for the guy who promises not to do that. Marx wou…

Do you think anyone in the US acts in the interest of the country as a whole? I have very little problem with my tax dollars going to this as opposed to dropping bombs on some hapless country.

Yes.

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So only the wealthy get to receive higher education. Good one! I know this is HN but this take goes beyond the typical level of unhinged. Honestly it seems like straight up trolling. Someone who received public loans to attend university and who spent 10, 20, or 25 years paying them off at which point the rest was cancelled isn't really irresponsible.

If you think that stating that you should not go to a college that you can't afford is "beyond the typical level of unhinged," you must be from a very sheltered corner of the internet. It strikes me as a very common sense and mainstream opinion indeed.

Saying only the wealthy and top 5% of students should receive higher education is unhinged. That might be a popular opinion on HN and libertarian land but no one can seriously argue that with a straight face lol.

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Helping some people who took loans we all paid for.

That is ok. Those same people will now have more money to spend on the businesses you are building. Your comment goes against your original point. You went from saying that it is politicians trying to benefit, to saying that you are upset that you have to support your fellow humans. Which is it?

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Strongly disagree. Russia has 54% of people with higher education, compared to us at 44%. In fact, it's the most "educated" country in the world. Bet you didn't know that... Look at how that worked out for them. The value of education is greatly overstated. (and on the other hand people who claim education is soooo important for a good society conveniently pretend things like culture, religion, morals, etc don't exis…

You need quality education not just quantity. Degrees from some universities in some countries might not be worth anything because anyone can get them and many do just because they've been conditioned that having that piece of paper changes your life for the best, and so No-Name universities appear to cater to that market creating a "degree inflation" where too many people have degrees but they're worthless.

A handful of top universities in US are better than top universities in Russia, but I seriously doubt that there's a significant difference between average university in Russia and average one in US when it comes to quality. If you are believe that US does not have a problem with crap universities awarding worthless diplomas, you are very wrong.

Re: Biden Announces $7.4B in Student Debt Cancellation for 277,000 Americans

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That is ok. Those same people will now have more money to spend on the businesses you are building. Your comment goes against your original point. You went from saying that it is politicians trying to benefit, to saying that you are upset that you have to support your fellow humans. Which is it?

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So your answer is both. That's cool, thanks for clarifying that.
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