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The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by ricardobeat »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #51
seattle_spring wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your Internet speed up and down, provider, and monthly cost? Actual monthly cost, not temporary promotions.

I’m currently doing 6.3/9.1 with 81ms latency on AT&T. I’m seeing Europe averaging 48 Mbps [1], though my experience in Italy and the UK has been far spottier than in America. (Lot of people in this thread confusing home and mobile internet. I get 1Gb/35 for $65 at home, but that’s irrelevant.) [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/689876/average-mobile-sp...

That average looks outdated, and includes a lot of rural and under-developed areas. It also varies a lot per country[1].

Most people in urban areas can get deals like 300-500Mbps for [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_In...

Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

wkat4242 wrote: post #54
f1shy wrote: post #50

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Odildo? Cant be truth in a country where almost all people speak english!

It's actually Odido but everyone I know calls it Odildo :P it was really a stupid name choice

I suspect it's a brand name they tested across multiple languages, etc

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Post by masklinn »

cycomanic wrote: post #69
burnte wrote: post #4

ISPs are desperate to be part of the monetary exchange of services over their infrastructure, they've been trying to become more than "dumb pipes" for decades and virtually no one wants that. Imagine if the water company could charge you more for a glass of water than a toilet flush.

I find it interesting how nobody blinks an eyelid at the massive profits raked in by companies like Google, Facebook etc. but as soon as the ISPs that create the infrastructure that makes all this happen (and innovate massively in the process) want some piece of the cake everyone cries foul. Now I actually strongly support net neutrality and maybe ISPs don't really need a piece of the cake, but it is still interestin…

> are also considered the good guys in his scenario.

You can have multiple bad guys. Just because one of them is the worse guy doesn't mean the other one is good.

Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by doublepg23 »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #67
EPWN3D wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was definitely someone who wrote the FCC (futilely) in support of net neutrality in 2017, and I figured the inevitable outcome of the FCC decision back then would be skyrocketing broadband costs, fast lanes, etc. Except none of it happened. It turns out there's actually kind of okay competition in this space. Maybe not as much as there should be, but prices have stayed reasonable, broadband access is expanding, and…

Yeah, the discourse around the Net Neutrality thing was intense . I was one the few people who argued it wouldn't change much, and I remember being struck by the state of near-internet-apocalypse people were predicting at the time. Helps that I was seeing the whole thing from the outside as a non-US-resident.

I have to take the L on going with the flow there. It's impossible to build a case that repeal of net neutrality was apocalyptic.

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Post by ethbr1 »

yftsui wrote: post #31
KaiserPro wrote: post #2

The thing that is actually missing from this entire essay is competition. The biggest single reason why the USA's (and to a lesser extent Canada's) internet is shite is because of the monopolies that exist. In the EU there are similar offers for "enhanced" access, but its not speeding up/slowing down apps, but giving "free" access, as in not counting to your data cap. Instead of making the FCC stop fast lanes, the FC…

Giving “free data pass” to limited set of apps is even more harmful IMO, the monopolies can afford pay the network infrastructure but small app developers will not be able to.

This. If ISPs want to QoS traffic into different lanes... fine.

But those lanes should:

   - Be general categories of use
   - Only be created by regulation
   - Be freely accessible to any app
   - Not involve any app-ISP payment

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Post by masklinn »

photonbeam wrote: post #35
burnte wrote: post #7

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The thing about administrative government is that you free up congress by allowing them to approve the creation of administrative bodies. It was pretty much the only good thing President Wilson did, help create the administrative state. FCC already HAS the authority designated by Congress. This is about choosing to use it.

It means congress is out of practice doing routine policy, and instead has big fights over very little

Why do you think abolishing independent agencies will change that in any way?

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Post by 310260 »

Zigurd wrote: post #45

I think the article gets network slicing wrong. Using network slicing instead of the traffic shaping that the mobile edge router probably supports is a strange idea. The showcase network slicing use case was public safety comms. Network slicing is AFAIK not much used because it clashes with roaming. The article describes network slicing as reserving spectrum for certain apps. That's not how it works. It reserves capa…

This is correct. Slicing can offer significant performance gains in certain situations. For example, lower latency when certain users need it while not overburdening the network by having to give that to every user.

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

seattle_spring wrote: post #47
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #41

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$70/month for 10Gb/10Gb Actual speeds are more like 5/7. But I’m happy!

In the US? Can you link to the promo page showing where others can obtain such a deal? Even if you deliver, surely you know that such a connection is an extreme, extreme outlier?

California. I have multiple multi-gig fiber options available and they compete.

https://www.sonic.com/residential/internet

Looks like the prices must vary by location. They don’t have a price there.

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Post by ethbr1 »

doublepg23 wrote: post #74
PoignardAzur wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the discourse around the Net Neutrality thing was intense . I was one the few people who argued it wouldn't change much, and I remember being struck by the state of near-internet-apocalypse people were predicting at the time. Helps that I was seeing the whole thing from the outside as a non-US-resident.

I have to take the L on going with the flow there. It's impossible to build a case that repeal of net neutrality was apocalyptic.

That the potential of a future FCC reinstating it precluded ISPs' baser instincts?

Their goal was to avoid excess, so maybe they could argue that net neutrality wasn't a good idea anyway, so they could gradually introduce new revenue streams from apps/platforms.

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