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The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

seattle_spring wrote: post #21
throwaway35777 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest single reason why the USA's (and to a lesser extent Canada's) internet is shite... Speak for yourself, but I live on the west coast and my Internet connection is great. Edit: downvoters, what are the problems with U.S. internet?

What's your Internet speed up and down, provider, and monthly cost? Actual monthly cost, not temporary promotions.

I’m currently doing 6.3/9.1 with 81ms latency on AT&T. I’m seeing Europe averaging 48 Mbps [1], though my experience in Italy and the UK has been far spottier than in America. (Lot of people in this thread confusing home and mobile internet. I get 1Gb/35 for $65 at home, but that’s irrelevant.)

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/689876/average-mobile-sp...

Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by rom1v »

seattle_spring wrote: post #21
throwaway35777 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest single reason why the USA's (and to a lesser extent Canada's) internet is shite... Speak for yourself, but I live on the west coast and my Internet connection is great. Edit: downvoters, what are the problems with U.S. internet?

What's your Internet speed up and down, provider, and monthly cost? Actual monthly cost, not temporary promotions.

In France, I pay monthly 27.48€ (~$29) for 1Gbps down and 500Mbps up (in theory, in practice, it's more like 500~600Mbps down, 250~300Mbps up). This includes a TV option for 2€ (without it, it's 25.48€).

My provider is SFR (the only one giving access to optical fiber in the small village where I live).

EDIT: I'm talking about home internet. For mobile internet, I pay 19.99€/month for unlimited access (5G), but I haven't done a speedtest.

Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by zer00eyz »

throwaway35777 wrote: post #26
seattle_spring wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your Internet speed up and down, provider, and monthly cost? Actual monthly cost, not temporary promotions.

It's like $50/mo for 200/50 I think. Why, what are yours?

West coast USA.

My current service is 130 a month for 200/20.

Its getting replaced: 50 bucks a month for 10gig fiber.

It's going to cost me 800 ish bucks to set up to take advantage of that (routing, switching, nic's)... I will still come out way ahead before the end of the year.

Competition has its benefits.

Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by wkat4242 »

f1shy wrote: post #50
wkat4242 wrote: post #29

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> In the EU there are similar offers for "enhanced" access, but its not speeding up/slowing down apps, but giving "free" access, as in not counting to your data cap. That's also in breach of EU net neutrality laws. A Dutch ISP lost a lawsuit over this for providing free Spotify traffic. I don't remember which one, I think it was T Mobile (now called Odildo or something lol)

Odildo? Cant be truth in a country where almost all people speak english!

It's actually Odido but everyone I know calls it Odildo :P it was really a stupid name choice

Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by SirensOfTitan »

seattle_spring wrote: post #21
throwaway35777 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest single reason why the USA's (and to a lesser extent Canada's) internet is shite... Speak for yourself, but I live on the west coast and my Internet connection is great. Edit: downvoters, what are the problems with U.S. internet?

What's your Internet speed up and down, provider, and monthly cost? Actual monthly cost, not temporary promotions.

Symmetrical 1G, Verizon, 60/month in NYC

Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by parrot987 »

jszymborski wrote: post #27
KaiserPro wrote: post #2

The thing that is actually missing from this entire essay is competition. The biggest single reason why the USA's (and to a lesser extent Canada's) internet is shite is because of the monopolies that exist. In the EU there are similar offers for "enhanced" access, but its not speeding up/slowing down apps, but giving "free" access, as in not counting to your data cap. Instead of making the FCC stop fast lanes, the FC…

> and to a lesser extent Canada's Not to turn this into a pissing contest, but Canada's internet is far more shite and far more captured by an oligopoly. Independent ISPs are harder to find than competition up here in the North.

This is similar to what I see too. I've actually gotten a borderless phone plan from AT&T just so I don't have to deal with the Canadian oligopoly.

Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by cycomanic »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #19
dave4420 wrote: post #12

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You force the infrastructure operator to allow competitors to use their infrastructure on a fair basis. It’s what happens in Europe (including the UK). It works.

In Europe they only do this for the last mile as far as I know, and this actually also prevents innovation since again there isn’t competition that can meaningfully introduce alternatives (let’s say cable versus fiber versus whatever). But I agree that approach is still an important tool (certainly better than nothing) and the US should adopt it.

> In Europe they only do this for the last mile as far as I know, and this actually also prevents innovation since again there isn’t competition that can meaningfully introduce alternatives (let’s say cable versus fiber versus whatever). But I agree that approach is still an important tool (certainly better than nothing) and the US should adopt it.

Actually many places offer choice between cable and DSL variants. But once there is fiber in the ground it actually doesn't make much sense to go with anything else, so choices disappear (only for connection type, not ISP). With fiber it's much cheaper to provide high speed access (and there is a much clearer update path).

Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by f1shy »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #41
seattle_spring wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your Internet speed up and down, provider, and monthly cost? Actual monthly cost, not temporary promotions.

$70/month for 10Gb/10Gb Actual speeds are more like 5/7. But I’m happy!

In the great Europe (Germany, Telekom) I pay 50 for 16MB/4MB… good deal!

Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by CyberDildonics »

spullara wrote: post #34
KaiserPro wrote: post #2

The thing that is actually missing from this entire essay is competition. The biggest single reason why the USA's (and to a lesser extent Canada's) internet is shite is because of the monopolies that exist. In the EU there are similar offers for "enhanced" access, but its not speeding up/slowing down apps, but giving "free" access, as in not counting to your data cap. Instead of making the FCC stop fast lanes, the FC…

Best internet in the country is offered by a monopoly in Chattanooga. Up to 25 Gbit up/down.

Why are you calling their municipal fiber internet a monopoly? Not only is it a utility, here is a list of 10 other broadband providers including att fiber, xfinity and verizon 300mb 5g:

https://broadbandnow.com/Tennessee/Chattanooga

Pretty ridiculous and disingenuous to call it "monopoly".

Re: The FCC needs to stop 5G fast lanes

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

KaiserPro wrote: post #2

The thing that is actually missing from this entire essay is competition. The biggest single reason why the USA's (and to a lesser extent Canada's) internet is shite is because of the monopolies that exist. In the EU there are similar offers for "enhanced" access, but its not speeding up/slowing down apps, but giving "free" access, as in not counting to your data cap. Instead of making the FCC stop fast lanes, the FC…

All the free access has been removed in Germany a while ago because of net neutrality.

The free access also came with a limit like bitrate and video resolution.

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