I use Kagi many times daily for search and for access to Clause 3 Opus. Can't say I care about t-shirts. Keep up the good work.
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Does not really matter as long as they offer it in EU countries.
Even so, it doesn't matter unless the CEO ever sets foot in the EU, I suppose. (Do you regularly check to make sure you're obeying laws in countries you don't ever intend to visit? No? Then why should Kagi?)
This should matter if Kagi ever intends to do business in the EU.
I suppose a serious breach of regulations, and if Kagi decided to ignore fines, apart from a bad reputation, could ultimately lead to things like judicial decisions of blocking access to the website or blocking payments for EU customers.
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#583Maybe a little off topic, but regarding Orion: Can someone explain to me why every search engine feel like they need to build their own browser, and by build I mean jiggle the handles on Chromium a bit? It seems pointless. I can sort of see why Microsoft would do it, but that's Microsoft wanting a modern browser for their operating system, not DuckDuckGo, Kagi or Ecosia wanting a browser for their search box. Why thi…
Because controlling the browser means you control the default search engine, and that is valuable. If all it takes to do that is repackage chrome then so be it.
But if you can convince users to switch a browser, can you not convince them to use your search engine by default with less of an effort?
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#584Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're right, it doesn't negate the question though.
On iOS it is not simple to switch to other search engines on Safari that's not in their list: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38937619 The thing is they can't control the stability of alternative methods on Safari. It's up to Apple.
But it is simple of Firefox on iOS, so if that's all you need there are existing browser alternatives
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#585Earlier quoted context omitted.
I got the same impression - the lack of understanding of the basics of GDPR makes them look as amateurs, not professionals trying to raise the bar for privacy. I was considering using Kagi, but this is a massive turn off. They'll likely discover that GDPR is not that optional as soon as a customer (or a competitor with a grudge!) reports them to their relevant national privacy/personal data protection authority, afte…
Kagi is a US company. GDPR is not a US law.
To your point: From the original post it was mentioned they created an entity in Germany (for the T-shirts).
This means they're exposed to GDPR not only indirectly by serving EU citizens but also directly by operating within the EU.
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#586Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kagi is a US company. GDPR is not a US law.
Does not really matter as long as they offer it in EU countries.
I think this is an interesting topic.
The scope of GDPR is clearly including businesses operating from the US, but has any company registered only in the US ever been fined by EU?
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#587The T-shirt thing is dumb and a waste of funds, but TFA describing it as "owning" a T-shirt factory is an exaggeration that makes me question most of the framing of the rest of the article. They partnered with an existing entity in Serbia, what they did set up was the means to distribute them. Still not a great look and definitely still a waste of funds, but if every criticism takes this same form—take a legitimate c…
> If not, I'll get to enjoy it while I can. Sure, but what happens with your information after that is also very important. What's for me very concerning after reading the article is not a T-Shirt factory or burning budget, but the their attitude towards privacy.
Yeah most of the stuff like AI doesn't concern me. It's a good product so I pay for it.
Personally I think the t-shirts look great and I'd love one.
The only thing that concerned me in that article was the disregard and / or misunderstanding of GDPR.
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#588Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very interesting! Quick (but difficult) question: do you foresee there arising a reasonably reliable way to filter out the coming wave of ai spam? I’m told that half of Twitter is bots talking to each other at this point, and I’m sure this is coming to other media as well. Eg, massive, massive waves of content marketing, sock puppets, etc. Is there reason to be optimistic that you or other actors will be able to sift…
Yes, significant part of our effort is to build technology that detects LLM spam. We have a working model that detects LLM generated text with 90% accuracy currently. The plan is to integrate in search results and make available as an API.
And just out of interest: what is the rate for false positives? An accuracy of 90% sounds very decent, as long as it doesn’t also filter out 10% of legitimate content.
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#589Reader-mode in browser of choice makes this more palatable.
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#590Lori seems (from the blog post and the subsequent email chain with the CEO) to be unnecessarily combative and most definitely too emotionally invested in Kagi. You're paying, what, 10, 25 USD - are you getting a good service for it? If not, unsubscribe, if yes, what's the problem? Sounds like they're profitable now, so little risk of the service dissapearing. Unnecessary drama by people who live for drama. My only ad…
.. to emotionally invested. She saw some stuff on their discord from the founder that was honestly .. weird if not just plain neglegent (the gdpr arguments, he's wrong for the record) .. the tax stuff. She posted an article. He reached out to her via email to set up a call. She demurred and asked him to stop contacting her, he persisted and wrote a petulant novella of an email. She asserted that he stop contacting he…
It's possible both parties are wrong about some things.