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Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by anigbrowl »

bongodongobob wrote: post #197
anigbrowl wrote: post #162

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I am a musician, though not professionally. I take your point about performance. Where I disagree with you is that I believe audience members relate to the emotion that went into the song at the time it was written and recorded (the form in which they most likely first heard it). Of course in performance it's not felt the same way; a sad song can even become uplifting because you have a big crowd of people joining in…

Just look up the Chinese room. There's nothing inherent in music that computers can't recreate.

I don't adhere to the Chinese room idea, and I don't think that there are any musical limitations on what an AI can do. I'm saying that audiences like music for more than its merits; they often fantasize about the singer/songwriter, in the case of popular music, or become invested in knowing about the composer in the case of more rarefied styles. A lot of people will just lose interest in a piece of music as soon as they find out it was generated. It's the same reason art forgers are treated as criminals rather than artistic geniuses in their own right.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by cush »

TheActualWalko wrote: post #156
cush wrote: post #73

There's a lot of negative comments here, but these are the earliest days and generating entire songs is kind of the hello world of this tech. There's always going to be a balance between creating high level tools like this with no dials and low level tools with finer control, and while this touts itself as being "more controllable", it's clearly not there. But, the same way Adobe has integrated outpainting and genera…

If anyone here is interested in something that leans towards the Ableton end of the spectrum, we're building this: https://wavtool.com/

So rad!

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by vouaobrasil »

v7n wrote: post #229
vouaobrasil wrote: post #223

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I think we should stop innovating, mostly and return to a relationship-based system with other animals and plants.

Have you thought of some of the people that might lose their jobs because of that?

It would be a small loss in return for a stable biosphere.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by LZ_Khan »

jimmyjazz14 wrote: post #125
LZ_Khan wrote: post #60

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Inspiration? You can generate hundreds of ideas in a day. The tracks will not be perfect but that's where actual musicians can take the ideas/themes from the tracks and perfect it. In this way it is a tool only useful to expert musicians.

I mean if you want inspiration there are literally millions of amazing songs on Spotify by real musicians. I have yet to hear an AI composed song that was in the least bit musically inspiring.

You can't do that for any well-known song without running into copyright lawsuits for even the slightest similarity. These AI songs can generate novel tracks, so it's likely one can get away with a lot more.

Whether or not the tracks are truly novel is up for debate, but if you generate 500 tracks, there's going to be some very very usable and obscure melodies in there. And you will be able to rip these melodies verbatim, with low-risk of copyright infringement.

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Post by vunderba »

inhumantsar wrote: post #209
yoyohello13 wrote: post #183

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I just don’t get this. Part of the joy of creating things is the work I put in. The easier something is to make, the less meaning it has to me. I feel like just asking a machine to make a bunch of songs is kind of meaningless.

people used to say the exact same thing about DJs and later Apple's GarageBand. if the person is spending time tweaking the prompt, which in this system includes BPM, musical style, writing lyrics, and they get a song they like out of it, how is that meaningless? how is that any different from strapping loops together in GarageBand instead of learning to play the guitar or drums?

I mean, there's still a huge difference between somebody who buys a bunch of loop packs and just glues them together versus somebody who can sit down at the piano, improvise a new melody and then build an arrangement around it.

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Post by vouaobrasil »

kome wrote: post #221
vouaobrasil wrote: post #217

I think programmers should stay away from trying to be musicians. Have you thought of some of the people that might lose their jobs because of this technology?

that's a silly comment. if it's serious, but i'm not sure you're serious... but to be serious: yes, technology sometimes causes social dislocation. and that's serious. but civilized societies have many ways to deal with social dislocation, like welfare, retraining, etc. Musicians are not going to lose their jobs because of technology. The CD hasn't killed live concerts. But as a society, we need to do more for those…

I am 100% serious.

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Post by noman-land »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #226
noman-land wrote: post #225

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Social relationships are an evolutionary innovation.

I meant we should stop techological innovation of most kinds.

There was a point where relationships and community were technological innovations to aid in survival. Agriculture was a technological innovation. Fire was a technological innovation.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by bongodongobob »

anigbrowl wrote: post #231
bongodongobob wrote: post #197

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Just look up the Chinese room. There's nothing inherent in music that computers can't recreate.

I don't adhere to the Chinese room idea, and I don't think that there are any musical limitations on what an AI can do. I'm saying that audiences like music for more than its merits; they often fantasize about the singer/songwriter, in the case of popular music, or become invested in knowing about the composer in the case of more rarefied styles. A lot of people will just lose interest in a piece of music as soon as…

No one will know. You're completely missing the point. People aren't going to say "DISCLAIMER THIS WAS WRITTEN BY AI". They'll just claim it as theirs. My entire point is that it's now convincing enough that you'll have no idea. People are already using it.

Audiences as a whole don't give a shit about the making of the music, at least as far as liking the music goes. "I like this song, but there is no story behind it, so I don't like it now" is just not a thing. People like to dance and sing along.

You can just make up some bullshit anyway, which is usually the case. Stop putting musicians on a pedestal. You've fallen into the trap of image. It's mostly fake. They are just people.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by hndamien »

parpfish wrote: post #152
bongodongobob wrote: post #144

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Maybe when you wrote it, but the time between writing and recording is pretty big. I don't see why it matters anyway, it's not like anyone can tell the difference. Is an actor really feeling the emotions? Does it matter if the performance is good? Of course it doesn't.

It matters for some people and for certain songs. Sometimes you like a song because it sounds good. Other times you like a song because somebody put your feelings into words and it’s comforting to know that another person felt the same way

There was emotion when I wrote this song - https://on.soundcloud.com/7h224KAcZjdgQo6k7

And my daughter really loves to listen to it, and I think there is a decent amount felt listening to it. However, this was created with Suno, but written by me.

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