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I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by flakeoil »

garciansmith wrote: post #379
mr_machine wrote: post #95

I'm a subscriber simply because their search is far better than any available alternative. That's the primary thing I want from them and so far they're delivering it at a cost I consider fair. Their other projects are not interesting or useful to me, but so far I can simply ignore them. Yes, on some level I wish they'd focus and quit wasting money and energy on things I don't care about, but that's really not my affa…

I've been curious about Kagi but the idea of running all my searches through one company while logged in worries me. Yes, I realize most people do that with Google and could care less, but I do. For me to try Kagi I'd need a much firmer commitment to user privacy, not the wishy-washy hand-waving portrayed here.

For google it probably does not matter if you are logged in or not. They know who you are anyway when you do your searches.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by voiceblue »

I don’t have a horse in this race, but from using Google’s AI search previews I am not bullish on the future of search being LLMs even with RAG or MoE (though of course, there is plenty of AI to be had apart from these, and I am bullish on AI in general). Even simple things, such as asking about setting up a Starbucks “franchise” (you can’t), are met with enthusiastic, affirmative, and blatantly incorrect answers.

Anyone who is thinking of putting LLM output directly in front of customers (no HITL) had better think twice about this.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by sirdvd »

infecto wrote: post #8

I still pay for Kagi for its search but this has kind of been the problem from the beginning with their org. - Search has been a breath of fresh air, I wish they dedicated more time to it. - Orion...is ok? I use it off and on and it is fine but would rather have better search. The premise of the browser is nice but it feels like this could probably be a whole separate company or a purely open source endeavor. It has…

I've been using Kagi only for a couple of months, so I'm still very much in the honeymoon phase. Perhaps they're still searching for their identity. Very much hope they rest independents and good at web searches.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by AuthError »

mvdtnz wrote: post #395
AuthError wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do they have a decent subscriber base? i thought it was still very niche

Why don't you read the post you're commenting on? The answer is in there.

cause commenter was making claim that was not grounded in reality so i thought i missed something

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by gherkinnn »

Fair points and a reason not to get personally invested.

> Is the search good? I mean...it's not really much better than any other search

It is absolutely fantastic as a search engine. The few times I find myself on DDG or Google I am reminded how terrible the alternatives are. For this alone I am happy to pay for however long as possible.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by carlosjobim »

Kuinox wrote: post #400
carlosjobim wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I write a name on a piece of paper here on my desk, I have not violated GDPR. If the radio commentator speaks the name of the soccer player who made a pass, he has not violated GDPR. But there are people who argue that names by themselves (without reference to anything else) are protected personal identification data. Which they clearly are not.

Thank you for demonstrating you have no idea what the GDPR is.

Thank you for your sarcastic comment.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by ceejayoz »

carlosjobim wrote: post #315
ceejayoz wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name" What is there to misunderstand?

If I write a name on a piece of paper here on my desk, I have not violated GDPR. If the radio commentator speaks the name of the soccer player who made a pass, he has not violated GDPR. But there are people who argue that names by themselves (without reference to anything else) are protected personal identification data. Which they clearly are not.

The GDPR's scope is defined as:

"This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data wholly or partly by automated means and to the processing other than by automated means of personal data which form part of a filing system or are intended to form part of a filing system."

A name or email in Kagi's database is very clearly subject to GDPR. A note on your desk may not be; not because the name isn't PII, but because not all PII is in a protected context.

You're incorrectly mixing up "it's not PII" with "it's not subject to GDPR". It's still PII even if you're not legally required to protect it in a specific scenario; I can, for example, tell random people about my wife's very unique medical conditions, but her hospital cannot.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by kerkeslager »

silviot wrote: post #361
kerkeslager wrote: post #338

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> I work in CX, you should listen to your customers. ...and to be clear, Hacker News is not a representative sample of their customers.

> ...and to be clear, Hacker News is not a representative sample of their customers. I am a customer and I learned about Kagi here. I assume many people are on the same boat, so I wouldn't be so sure about that.

> I am a customer and I learned about Kagi here.

Perhaps I should have said "target customers" where I said "customers", I don't know. But it should not be surprising that "being an HN user" correlates strongly with "finds out about things on HN".

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