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Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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Unless things have changed since I last looked, if those you talk to aren't also on iMessage, it feels like a net negative to use as you get inconsistent/negative behavior between contacts. From that end, it becomes sort of a moral issue with the clearly arbitrarily locked gates and poor experiences. So you disable and use a non-malicious and cross platform solution.

Apple is malicious, but Facebook is totally okay?

Apple explicitly and actively making what should be a 'standard' text message experience worse on non-apple devices is malicious.

FB Messenger is simply an alternative. I haven't paid attention to it, but maybe the Threads fediverse integration will piss me off just as much.

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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Israel has literally targeted Iranian territory. How is that better than arming Israel's opponents? And Israel is the country with not only a nuclear capability but also invented the "samson option", which is basically threatening the region to nuke everyone if they have to. Israel and Iran really deserve each other.

If you mean the "embassy" building it's not Iranian territory. They are not defined as such, it's false information from movies and did you forget the bombing of the Israeli embassy in Argentina? They sure didn't have an issue then. If you mean assassinations of nuclear scientists in Iran then sure you are correct but then what do you expect when Iran's leaders again and again say they are going to wipe Israel off th…

The difference is that China or Russia or the US have a mutual destruction doctrine. Russia or the US won't nuke every country on earth that they can reach if they get nuked by China for example. According to that logic since Israel clearly wants to destroy Iran, it should be able to nuke Israel as a last act even if Israel didn't initiate a nuclear attack.

As to your first point, I'm talking about decades of Israeli operations, not just what happened recently. But I guess Israeli embassies are ok to attack now, since they aren't in Israeli territory.

You keep saying that they are just trying to not get wiped out, but they are the only people that are actively and openly wiping out another group. Like, multiple Israeli officials have stated they want to level Gaza to the ground. Is the Westbank colonization also just a way for poor Israelis to not get wiped by neighbors or?

They also killed more than 30 000 civilians in the past few months. So the narrative that they are just trying to not get pushed back to the sea doesn't work very well here. Especially coming from a colonizing state that is actively expanding in territory that isn't theirs the moment that said territory stopped armed combat against them.

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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How can Pegasus and NSO still be allowed to exist? I know they are an Israeli corporation, but even then has there been action against them from the Israeli government? This is basically rogue state behavior

PBS Frontline has a good documentary on the NSO Group. They are sanctioned by the government, and even used as political leverage - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZVj1_SE4Mo

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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I'm not sure exactly what part of it you're trying to refute since your comment is kind of all over the place, but GP comment is correct. The reason it's called that is literally because of the Indian government. > Apple's removal of the term "state-sponsored" from its description of threat notifications comes after it repeatedly faced pressure from the Indian government on linking such breaches to state actors, said…

I'm clearly refuting this – "because Modi complained" in the GPs post. And your linked article is making an unsubstantiated claim based on "source with direct knowledge". That's just not credible enough.

It was not clear at all. You jumped thoughts half a dozen times throughout your comment.

That’s not an unsubstantiated claim, that’s literally how you deal with sensitive contacts and information in journalism.

You understand that nobody is going to speak on the record about this, right? What, exactly, do you expect in terms of substantiation?

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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If you mean the "embassy" building it's not Iranian territory. They are not defined as such, it's false information from movies and did you forget the bombing of the Israeli embassy in Argentina? They sure didn't have an issue then. If you mean assassinations of nuclear scientists in Iran then sure you are correct but then what do you expect when Iran's leaders again and again say they are going to wipe Israel off th…

The difference is that China or Russia or the US have a mutual destruction doctrine. Russia or the US won't nuke every country on earth that they can reach if they get nuked by China for example. According to that logic since Israel clearly wants to destroy Iran, it should be able to nuke Israel as a last act even if Israel didn't initiate a nuclear attack. As to your first point, I'm talking about decades of Israeli…

Where did you come up with "Israel clearly wants to destroy Iran"? Did you forget that before the Iranian Islamic revolution they were best buddies? You might say that Israel wants to see the Iranian dictatorship fall (and that's only because of their action against Israel, Israel couldn't care less what they do in house to their own people) but it's a far cry from wiping Iran unlike Iran stance to kill all the jews in Israel (and beyond).

Iran would have bombed Israeli embassies if they could (not like they don't try), they don't need an excuses because they already did that to Israel AND the USA (or did you forget about that too).

"they are the only people that are actively and openly wiping out another group" - Sure, they cried genocide for 75 years about since then they more than doubled, worst genocide ever. Unlike the 500k dead Syrians or the 250k killed in Yemen and that's just in the last 10 years or all current African conflicts, but when its not Jews it's not interesting right?

I'm not here to support or defend the occupation but from a security stand point yes it was/is necessary if you look at the region/border geographically from a military defensive stand point, you can just look at all the previous wars/clashes/terror attacks from that region pre 67. Reminder that the PLO (the good, "peaceful" terror group) was founded in 1964.

30k people, a number made up by and inflated by a terrorist run organization, very reliable[1] (they even admit its based on social media posts), in that case take into account the 10k dead combatants. 2:1 ration is one of the lowest if not the lowest in urban combat in recent memory just look what it took to wipe Isis in Mosul but I bet you didn't cry genocide then right?

[1] https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fat...

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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As a bridge perhaps, and not all authoritarians are equal - of course, so being rational is fine - aligning with a less worse, less captured society is a reasonable stepping stone; and a maneuver can be to pit one tyrant against another, where India-China relations aren't good - however that could be useful to both tyrants towards manufacturing consent to send all of their young military aged men - who would be the s…

>"where this fascist government..." I am not sure whether this counts as the success or the failure of the meds

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Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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Signal doesn’t have this problem. By your terminology, all iOS devices are “compromised” by default from having non-e2ee iCloud Backup enabled by default. Signal chats on iOS are stored in a storage class that cannot be backed up or exported from the device.

Which is, of course, often not what users actually want.

Users want their messages and iMessaged nudes to be private from Apple and warrantless FBI snooping. Presently, they aren’t.

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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I'm clearly refuting this – "because Modi complained" in the GPs post. And your linked article is making an unsubstantiated claim based on "source with direct knowledge". That's just not credible enough.

It was not clear at all. You jumped thoughts half a dozen times throughout your comment. That’s not an unsubstantiated claim, that’s literally how you deal with sensitive contacts and information in journalism. You understand that nobody is going to speak on the record about this, right? What, exactly, do you expect in terms of substantiation?

It would have made more sense if you have context on the local politics in India or followed the supreme court case on this matter.

> That’s not an unsubstantiated claim, that’s literally how you deal with sensitive contacts and information in journalism.

The way it works is if the writing has a byline of a credible investigative journalist. It doesn't work for an anonymous wire service article.

> You understand that nobody is going to speak on the record about this, right? What, exactly, do you expect in terms of substantiation?

Journalism used to have standards. If you didn't have multiple confirmations you wouldn't publish it. These days they publish anything. They have more better credibility than anonymous opinion posts on random internet forums.

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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Which is, of course, often not what users actually want.

Users want their messages and iMessaged nudes to be private from Apple and warrantless FBI snooping. Presently, they aren’t.

Pretty sure Apple requires a warrant to decrypt those.
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