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I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by hiddencost »

Zambyte wrote: post #117
infecto wrote: post #8

I still pay for Kagi for its search but this has kind of been the problem from the beginning with their org. - Search has been a breath of fresh air, I wish they dedicated more time to it. - Orion...is ok? I use it off and on and it is fine but would rather have better search. The premise of the browser is nice but it feels like this could probably be a whole separate company or a purely open source endeavor. It has…

> I wish they dedicated more time to it. What changes you have in mind to search functionality? I feel like the core search is rock solid as is, but they address search quality reports on their feedback forums all the time. To me, the AI features (and specifically how they are only used when you opt in per query) are enhancing search, and the time they have been allocating to those features has continuously improved…

Search quality requires maintenance and continual tuning. It's not a one and done "add more functionality" kind of product.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

sithadmin wrote: post #166
jonpurdy wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I considered investing a small amount in them when they were raising a round from customers since I loved the search product so much. I too can't imagine going back to anything else, especially now that I have prioritized and blocked domains set up perfectly and added lenses, and this stuff works across desktop and mobile! I've been mildly regretting not investing up until 5 minute ago when I read about spending 1/3…

The claim that's made in this blog - that Kagi 'owns a t-shirt factory' seems disingenuous, or lazy at best. Kagi's own blog says that instead of going with a major branded merch manufacturer/distributor, they chose to work with a small print shop instead. Nothing about blowing funds on an actual factory/print shop. "Owning a merch operation end to end" just means they're not paying some manufacturer to do production…

I do not understand this distinction. Either they "own" the merch operation "end to end", or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by figassis »

I noticed Orion is very very buggy, and I found it odd from a revenue oriented company. I was desperately looking for a way out of the chromium world and also avoiding Firefox, so when I found Orion I thought this is where I'd settle and maybe help development. But the bugs are so counter productive, that you can't even manage bookmarks. Something was off with that browser's team.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by Closi »

Zambyte wrote: post #117
infecto wrote: post #8

I still pay for Kagi for its search but this has kind of been the problem from the beginning with their org. - Search has been a breath of fresh air, I wish they dedicated more time to it. - Orion...is ok? I use it off and on and it is fine but would rather have better search. The premise of the browser is nice but it feels like this could probably be a whole separate company or a purely open source endeavor. It has…

> I wish they dedicated more time to it. What changes you have in mind to search functionality? I feel like the core search is rock solid as is, but they address search quality reports on their feedback forums all the time. To me, the AI features (and specifically how they are only used when you opt in per query) are enhancing search, and the time they have been allocating to those features has continuously improved…

I mean they could focus on actually building out their own search engine as an example? (i.e. moving further away from using Google and Bing APIs)

It's just a matter of focus with a team of that size.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by acheron »

sph wrote: post #168
Tomte wrote: post #4

Subsequently: https://hackers.town/@lori/112255132348604770

Jesus I agree with some of the post, but the author seems to be an insufferable human. This has all the characteristics of terminally-online people that spend way too much time being angry on social media, and needing the world know how angry they are. Like, these days you do not know when you email someone if they reply to you, or if they will post screenshots of your entire conversation to social media showing how…

> I agree with some of the post, but the author seems to be an insufferable human. This has all the characteristics of terminally-online people that spend way too much time being angry on social media, and needing the world know how angry they are.

Yes, my impression as well. (I have never used Kagi but have considered trying it.)

Among the other things, the blog author approvingly put up a screenshot with someone insisting on seeing the entire world through their own political views and demanding others do so as well. ("Actually, the word 'politics' means 'everything', and also I'm right and everyone else is wrong.") As the meme goes, they need to touch grass.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by resolutebat »

keyboardJones wrote: post #118

OP’s Mastodon post on Vlad’s follow up: https://hackers.town/@lori/112255132348604770

Vlad does not appear to be aware of the first rule of holes: if you're in one, stop digging.

I'm a happy, paid Kagi subscriber and have been one for a long time, but I've been uneasy for a while about their lack of focus (the T-shirt fiasco being only the latest example) and the post demonstrates clearly that the issue is systemic. You're trying to compete in search against Google and Microsoft with 12 people! Stop doing irrelevant bullshit that's no going to improve your bottom line!

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by bookofjoe »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #142
yreg wrote: post #29

I've read the first third of the article and I didn't get what's the author's problem with Kagi. What do they care how many employees Kagi has or how much they spend on t-shirts. Then I scrolled through the rest of it and read the very last screenshot. That one looks pretty bad. > people who really need anonymity are very rare. probably less than a 100 in the entire world. definitely not typical Kagi users > unless t…

Those who have "nothing to hide" still close their curtains at night and shut the door to the bathroom when on the toilet. Granting and fiercely protecting privacy is a simple matter of respect for your fellow human beings. Doing so also has the side effect of slowing descents into various forms of totalitarianism.

>Whenever there’s a conflict, the logic of security will trump the right to privacy.

— Eric Schmidt, 2013

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by rc_mob »

Kagi uses Google products under the hood for everything. So you are not really avoiding Google/Alphabet when you use Kagi. The pay Google a lot on money for various services and index data and such.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by dustincoates »

Zambyte wrote: post #117
infecto wrote: post #8

I still pay for Kagi for its search but this has kind of been the problem from the beginning with their org. - Search has been a breath of fresh air, I wish they dedicated more time to it. - Orion...is ok? I use it off and on and it is fine but would rather have better search. The premise of the browser is nice but it feels like this could probably be a whole separate company or a purely open source endeavor. It has…

> I wish they dedicated more time to it. What changes you have in mind to search functionality? I feel like the core search is rock solid as is, but they address search quality reports on their feedback forums all the time. To me, the AI features (and specifically how they are only used when you opt in per query) are enhancing search, and the time they have been allocating to those features has continuously improved…

I love Kagi, I'm an early paying subscriber, but I think the quality of their results is overstated. Anytime you get past result #5 or so, the results just get _weird_. If you have to do deep research on something, you'll often get pages that seemingly have nothing to do with the query, or these class of pages that seem to be poor answers to common queries aggregated together.
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