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Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by KiranRao0 »

komali2 wrote: post #26
ikesau wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly, as recommended in the article, StreetComplete[1], which shows incomplete areas on your map and marks them as quests to add to :) Also recommended, Organic Maps[2], which is an OSM client that's good enough to use as my main map app (in my city, at least) Final recommendation, this interview[3] with the founder of OpenStreetMap Steve Coast. 3 hours of fascinating insight into the history and future of the p…

> including how he doesn't think OSM will be relevant for much longer once someone manages to develop a mapping project into their self-driving cars As someone who intends to never drive again, this is very funny to me. Cars are very obviously not the future of human transport, self driving or otherwise. They take up an absurd amount of space.

> Cars are very obviously not the future of human transport

I wish this were true. However, I'm seeing the trend pointing in the opposite direction almost everywhere. For example, almost every European country has seen a rise in the motorization rate. [1] China is also firmly on the rise, and America remains 80-90% [2]

Given this, I don't expect that OSM has the ability/authority to make a dent in motor vehicle usage rates. I do, however, believe they can take advantage of the way the world exists today to improve open source mapping.

[1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/D...

[2] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/car-insurance/car-ownership-s...

[Not cited, but neet]: https://www.jstor.org/stable/27503807

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by pietervdvn »

KiranRao0 wrote: post #31
komali2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> including how he doesn't think OSM will be relevant for much longer once someone manages to develop a mapping project into their self-driving cars As someone who intends to never drive again, this is very funny to me. Cars are very obviously not the future of human transport, self driving or otherwise. They take up an absurd amount of space.

> Cars are very obviously not the future of human transport I wish this were true. However, I'm seeing the trend pointing in the opposite direction almost everywhere. For example, almost every European country has seen a rise in the motorization rate. [1] China is also firmly on the rise, and America remains 80-90% [2] Given this, I don't expect that OSM has the ability/authority to make a dent in motor vehicle usage…

It's more complicated then that. For the U.S.: the urban sprawl and urban planning makes it impossible to not use a car for many people.

The old, European cities have a bigger chance to go carfree. Some are actively working to it (e.g. Paris or Ghent), some are trying (Brussels), others are not even trying (Antwerp).

In the long run, I hope car use will decline (so that only emergency services, nuts services, ...) need one - for the climate, for our health but mostly of all: a carfree city is a pleasant city.

Have a look at https://social.notjustbikes.com/@notjustbikes , who does great videos about it.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by Hrnrurj »

jraph wrote: post #20
Hrnrurj wrote: post #3

It would be handy to give street mappers some sort of defense tool from dogs. Like air horn, sticks or maybe peper spray. India has a huge problem with packs of wild street dogs, that regularly attack and kill people. It is dangerous to roam on streets you do not know very well.

Seems horrible. That would not be specific to street mappers though, would it?

They mostly attack small kids, so sadly no.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by pietervdvn »

carstenhag wrote: post #21
pietervdvn wrote: post #12

Shameless plug for my project where one can easily see data from and add data to OpenStreetMap: https://MapComplete.org

I looked at a few network requests and you are fetching the country code for some locations, is there some docu on this how/why you are doing so? I soon perhaps also have to implement a simple "is this location in country XY" check and it seems both trivial and complex at the same time to solve, without a full map-aware database/system. https://github.com/pietervdvn/MapComplete-data/tree/main/lat...

Yeah, the country location is a requirement to show the opening hours. The library (https://github.com/opening-hours/opening_hours.js) is aware of holidays in many countries, but for that it needs to know what country a POI is in.

The country awareness source code is here: https://github.com/pietervdvn/latlon2country

The idea: I've taken all the country boundaries from OSM (via nominatim); I slice them in four parts. If the resulting geojson is too big, I slice this again until I have small geojsons, suitable to download. If you know the zoomlevel and location, one can use the standard slippy-tile-index to fetch the correct tile. (Alternatively, if the entire tile is within a country, it'll just return the country code)

However, the client also needs to know what zoomlevel there is. For that, I built a search tree.

It's been a while though, so I've forgotten some of the details ;)

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by pietervdvn »

jraph wrote: post #16
pietervdvn wrote: post #12

Shameless plug for my project where one can easily see data from and add data to OpenStreetMap: https://MapComplete.org

Seems quite good, how come I have not run into it yet? Even for someone who just want a quick feature look up it seems pretty useful. Search has two "magnifying glass" buttons, and could probably use a suggestion popup. A nice showcase of Svelte too, the thing is refreshingly light and fast.

Oh, you're flattering me! First time someone called it 'light and fast', it can be an underperforming, buggy piece of software at times!

And I spent quite some time getting it somewhat fast - not to mention that my caching server is currently down.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by ikesau »

komali2 wrote: post #26
ikesau wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly, as recommended in the article, StreetComplete[1], which shows incomplete areas on your map and marks them as quests to add to :) Also recommended, Organic Maps[2], which is an OSM client that's good enough to use as my main map app (in my city, at least) Final recommendation, this interview[3] with the founder of OpenStreetMap Steve Coast. 3 hours of fascinating insight into the history and future of the p…

> including how he doesn't think OSM will be relevant for much longer once someone manages to develop a mapping project into their self-driving cars As someone who intends to never drive again, this is very funny to me. Cars are very obviously not the future of human transport, self driving or otherwise. They take up an absurd amount of space.

i don't like cars at all and think it's a terrible shame how they've influenced the design of cities, but i think we might still disagree on what future trends will be :)

if you can entertain the idea that in 10 years there will be far more cars with lidar+cameras+gps around (plus the compute to process it all), steve's point is that this data will be very useful for generating real time road maps such that we won't need to rely on a network of pedestrian volunteers to manually update a database whenever a road gets closed for repair or a new condo is built.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

#38

Post by pietervdvn »

sydbarrett74 wrote: post #37

I wonder if Niantic would ever open up some API's to gamify this by tying it into Pokémon Go.

Pokemon go already is based on OpenStreetMap. And yes, a few OSM-contributors started because a park was missing and they thus lacked a spawnpoint for pokemons.

But we've also head plenty of teens adding fake data to have pokemons in their front garden. To much gamification hurts.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by sydbarrett74 »

pietervdvn wrote: post #38
sydbarrett74 wrote: post #37

I wonder if Niantic would ever open up some API's to gamify this by tying it into Pokémon Go.

Pokemon go already is based on OpenStreetMap. And yes, a few OSM-contributors started because a park was missing and they thus lacked a spawnpoint for pokemons. But we've also head plenty of teens adding fake data to have pokemons in their front garden. To much gamification hurts.

Fascinating! Didn't know that Go was based on OSM.

This sounds like a really cool project. Thanks for your hard work.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by philsnow »

komali2 wrote: post #4

I'm really curious how this person got codeberg pages working, I still haven't managed to get a codeberg page deployed. I thought it required a 3rd party server, like their actions seem to. Also: > It's easy to pick a proprietary network like Telegram or an unsustainable one like Matrix, What's unsustainable about Matrix? I've really enjoyed running our community on Matrix.

That sentence was right after this paragraph:

> Talking over phone is the most reliable way to announce the party, send reminders and confirmations, and to coordinate during the party. That way, there's no question of "didn't check my messages/email".

Maybe it’s different in India but here in the states, when you tell most people that you’re not coordinating with imessage/sms (or fb messenger or whatsapp), you’ll get blank stares. I’m reminded of this: http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/nosql/fault-tolerance.png

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